Not So Young But Angry Conservatives Unite

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Tuesday, January 23, 2007


The Democrats talk about leading America into a newer and better direction. What's their plan? What is so bad about the following?

OK, Unemployment is at its lowest level in 25 years.

Home ownership is at a record high.

Home values doubled last year.

401ks are on the rebound.

The Down Jones and other markets are at an all time high.

Jobless claims have been steadily decreasing.

We have had NO terrorist attacks on US soil since 9/11.

Fuel prices have dropped.

Taxes are the lowest in over 20 years.

What's wrong with the direction we are in? And what on earth do those socialist chimps have planned?

Do they wanna turn back the clock to the days of the Carter malaise? The Clinton do-nothing years? What?

They will want record tax hikes. What for?
To pay for their unemployed and stupid voters to keep living off the fat of the land, rather than work.
To line their own pockets.
To set the economy into freefall in a reckless scheme to take power in nothing short of a legalized coup.
To screw the Americans since they've been so screwed during the past 6 years of elections.
To seek vengeance and prove their power. Nothing more.

And if that happens, expect gas prices to go up.
Expect interest rates to skyrocket.
Expect more bankrupcy filings and delinquencies.
Expect more homes to be mortgaged out or rented.
Forget ownership, due to new taxes from the enlightened Democrats.

Dare we ask? Dare we NOT ASK?

The only thing they can bitch about is Iraq.

Iraq, such a failure.

So bad that they've had 2 years with successful presidential and regional elections.

So bad that utilities and amenities have been expanded all over the area.

So bad that, aside from The sunni Triangle/Bagdhad area, that stability is the prodominant order of the day.

So rotten that Kurdistan is the most stable area, and will be recognized by the US soon.

And so bad that Syria and Iran may have to break down and negotiate rather than risk war.

Yeah, we've failed in so much there. NOT!

OK, we've lost about 3000 soldiers, in almost 4 years. 4 Years. We lost close to 4000 during the first 4 HOURS of D-Day. 2300 in 2 hours at Pearl Harbor. And for 2 and 1/2 hours on September 11, we lost 2973 Americans and others. I hate to be callous, but considering how wars usually go, we are getting off light.

Instead of terrorists attacking all over the world, in massive numbers, they are flocking to Iraq to die for their cause. And we're happy to oblige them. Instead of laying waste to the US or Europe, they're dying in record numbers trying to snuff out a fledgling democracy.

I say, stay on course. Don't leave until Iraq is somewhat stable.

If we leave, expect the fall of Saigon and Killing Fields to repeat itself again, this time in Iraq. Also, expect Iran to annex portions of Iraq, making striking distance against Israel and takeover of the ME oil a more likely thing.

Do the Democrats have a viable alternative?

I thought not.

Cut and run and wait for the next attack, and just blame it on Bush. Don't mention the 8 years Clinton had to do something. Carter's impotency in allowing Iran to go fundamentalist. And let's not forget their combined duplicity in cutting off Israel at the knees. Thankfully, the Israelis didn't take to that.


  • At 8:28 AM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    Percentage of Americans employed is down, personal bankruptcies doubled last year, home values are declining, the national debt is soaring, balance of trade is still severely negative, gas was $1.46 when bush took office, we lost the war in Iraq, and the Taliban now governs 5 provinces in Afghanistan.

    And that's just for starters...

    State of the Union...not so good. Thanks, George.

  • At 8:53 AM, Blogger Kevin said…

    I say, stay on course. Don't leave until Iraq is somewhat stable.


    That was the sound of a lone sheep ND.

    I won't even go into the list of things incorrect on your list.

    And not to mention, the overwhelming majority of our citizens do not TRUST the man in charge. Not a good leadership quality.

  • At 5:42 PM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    Ah, typical talking points. And moonshine is full of it beyond belief.

  • At 7:12 PM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    Tell me, ND, can you show that single one of my facts is in error? I'm willing to learn...

  • At 8:39 PM, Blogger Little Miss Chatterbox said…

    Well said and my sentiments exactly!! This is how I've been thinking all day.

  • At 10:41 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said…

    The question isn't whether the points themselves are wrong, but whether Bush has a hand in it. But let's see....

    % of Americans employed is down, while unemployment is also down. Hmmm. Perhaps we're seeing the effect of more business start ups and a growing number of retirees. If your stat is only for those of working age, it has to be business start ups or it's just plain wrong.

    Home values go up and down like other investments due to a variety of reasons. There was a recent boon that most likely has played itself out and now we're in a different phase. It will reverse by supply and demand alone. This same dynamic is true for gas prices, or did Bush force China and India to start demanding more petrol? But the price has indeed fallen recently. So if he has an effect on prices rising, he must also have an effect on prices falling. Give him props.

    The debt is soaring? So is the economy and the deficit has been halved in half the time promised. We're doing better economically without a doubt. And that with 9/11, a WOT, Katrina. Not bad, George.

    We lost in Iraq? You're just a very, very stupid man if not a total fuckin' idiot. If we're there fighting, how could we have lost it yet? Defeatist loser.

    Taliban governs 5 provinces? Doubtful or it would be spashed all over the place by the MSM and Dem hacks. No one's talking about this. The enemy fighting back isn't surprising, nor is the stupid interpretation of such by knuckleheads like buffooney.

    State of the Union...not great, but not so bad. There's always room for improvement and the room YOU have cartooney is vast.

  • At 8:25 AM, Blogger Kevin said…

    The question isn't whether the points themselves are wrong, but whether Bush has a hand in it. But let's see....

    While that's not entirely untrue, if you're a fan of baseball you'll know that pitchers have a win statistic. They may pitch the best or worst game of their life, but if they win, they still get the stat. Conversely, they get the loss when things don't work out. I think Bush is getting a loss.

  • At 10:40 AM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    MA, Please note, Washington Post, Monday 1/22:

    KANDAHAR, Afghanistan -- The Taliban said they will open their own schools in areas of southern Afghanistan under the group's control, an apparent effort to win support among local residents and undermine the Western-backed government's efforts to expand education.


    Abdul Hai Muthmahien, the purported chief spokesman for the militants, said the group will begin providing Islamic education to students in March in at least six southern provinces, funded by $1 million allotted by the Taliban's ruling council.
    I'm not surprised that you missed it - they hid it on the front page! You are such a stupid man...

  • At 9:03 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said…

    Don't read the Post. There are tons of news sources these days. No time to review them all. Doesn't refute my statement because one newspaper has a story. Where'd it come from, AP? I'm also not surprised that you favor the speech of the enemy and take it as gospel. What they say and what is is not necessarily the same. That being said, assuming it's all true, it doesn't mean they will succeed in their goals. I know you'd like them to since the only thing you care about is bashing Bush. Here's a plan: grow a beard, wrap a towel around your pointy head and join those in whom you have more faith. You're perfect for them.

  • At 9:08 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said…


    Depends on who's scoring. The left highlights only the negative about Bush and his policies while totally ignoring the positives. Thus, a loss seems appropriate. Yet, ignoring what is reality does not make it go away, unless you are a very, very stupid man like gooney. One also has to keep in mind that a pitcher gets a loss if his team refuses to give it's all. This is certainly the case with a segment of Congress that has always been obstructive.

  • At 8:31 AM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    MA, I also read the article in the Seattle PI, The Raleigh News-Observer and the Tacoma News Tribune. It was front page news all over..except Fox I guess...

    Maybe you missed the article in The Economist currently running in US papers about al Qaeda being "on the march." Must be nice in your coccoon.

  • At 8:33 AM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    And BTW, MA, the issue wasn't whether the Taliban will win (which they will because Bush is such a bungler). The issue is that I said that five (it turns out to be six) provinces in Afghanistan are now under Taliban control. You disputed that and I produced a source. now you want to change the subject. You are a stupid man...

  • At 2:00 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    One also has to keep in mind that a pitcher gets a loss if his team refuses to give it's all.

    I agree with you. But it also illustrates my point - and possibly illustrates the defense of why bashing Bush is ok (not that I personally ever see much point to do so).

    When things go right, the captain gets most of the glory, but when they go sour, he's also takes most of the blame regardless of whether it's his fault or not.

    Thus in the current state of things, I think Mr. Bush is to blame - though it's clearly not all his fault. I still think he's an idiot, but thats neither here nor there.

  • At 11:03 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said…


    Bashing for bashing's sake? I don't think so. And that's exactly what we see and have seen since the guy threw his hat in the ring. It isn't constructive bashing, it's been obstructive bashing and there's a huge difference. The left will trip a runner and then bash him for losing the race. This analogy is a perfect description of what's been going on throughout Bush's term. And the current state of things is that Bush only gets blame for things gone wrong, but never kudos for things that work out. I've listed some in my response to mooney the idiot. I've never heard of anyone on the left giving him credit for those or any other points.

    And for the very, very stupid one I like to call buffooney,

    I didn't see anything like that in the Chicago Sun-Times or Daily Herald. I read at least one of those every day. But go back and see if all those stories are from the same source like Reuters or AP. If so, count it as one source. If it's Reuters, question it as they have been exposed as less than reliable. But nonetheless, I doubt the Taliban is capable of holding any territory forever. You don't think so because you're an America hater and a Bush hater and you relish anything that casts aspersions on either. It's also telling that of all the crap from you first post, you only support one. For a dweeb who claims he's married to a member of the military, your attitude toward the military is crap.

  • At 8:31 AM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    Bring the military home, there's no military solution in Iraq. It's that simple. Why do you like to see our GI's killed?

  • At 9:59 AM, Blogger Marshall Art said…

    The solution is not soley a military one, but the military is needed and that has been expressed by many including the Iraqis themselves, as well as former and current military commanders in theater. So the need exists absolutely whether defeatists like mooney want to believe it or not.

  • At 2:27 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    I say, stay on course. Don't leave until Iraq is somewhat stable.

    I still can't believe you'd say that. Not because of your belief in the war, but rather because it comes from the same old very non creative mind of GW.

    And I'm not bashing him, nor am I about to, but if you actually think the man has the slightest ability to deliver speeches/comments/etc...

    ...I mean, come on - we've been hearing that EXACT same bullshit quote for 3 years and it means dick - nothing - zero.

    You're a creative guy ND, I'm just saying I wouldn't be quoting the worst repetitive line this country has heard since our births.

  • At 4:10 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said…

    What's wrong with the line, Kevin? It's not a strategy or tactic in and of itself, but an attitude that reflects a resolve that should be within each of us to deal with the evil perpetrated by our enemies. It says that we musn't "get all wobbly" to parahrase Thatcher, and assume the task is too great or not without risk and then quit the cause because of it. As a slogan, its no worse than "remember the Maine" or "remember the Alamo". I greatly prefer it to the defeatist and cowardly slogans spewed in Washington over the weekend.

  • At 9:24 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Remember the Alamo (as Nick and I live in TX) was a slogan to remind the remaining Texas militia that the men were steadfast throughout the unfortunate slaughter.

    Stay the course would be just fine, provided that there WAS a course in which to stay.

    Again - no 'bash' to bush - but we all know that there is NO course outlined.

  • At 8:12 AM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    Why remember the Maine? To this dsy there is no evidence that the explosion was anything but an accident. Must you base your world view on mythology? Reality may have a liberal bias but it's a refreshing place to live...try it.

  • At 8:16 AM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Actually I'd like to follow this up with an article I just read:

    So that article is quoting the would-be commander of the forces in Iraq - who is currently the commander of our Pacific forces. He says, and I quote,

    "What we have been doing has not been working," he said. "What we have got to be doing, it seems to me, is something different."

    So I'm thinking that the commander and I can't be the ONLY ones who think 'stay the course' is a bunch of bullshit.

  • At 8:39 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said…


    I'm shocked. It's necessary to spell things out and use small words for gooney, but you...? I'm shocked, I tell ya, shocked.

    But let me deal first with the village idiot.


    Of what possible relevance was your last post? It doesn't matter in the least what the details regarding the Maine incident were. The point surrounded the use of slogans. To this day you've presented no evidence that you are anything other than a very, very stupid man. And it's really getting tiresome. You can't imagine how saddened I am for your lack of effort and laziness in gaining understanding. Get help.


    I don't think "stay the course" refers to specific tactics and strategies. That Bush has relented and suggested such by replacing Rummie and sending the new top dog in Iraq. The "course" is staying in Iraq until the objectives are met. Objectives, by the way, that the current commander, Petraeus(sp)believes is indeed possible. And "staying the course" is a direct rebuttal to the defeatists in Congress who insist on pulling out, like mooney's father should have. The "course" is taking the fight to the enemy instead of letting the enemy dictate to us. It's the mindset and attitude, as I've said earlier, that should reside in all of us because the cause is right and just.

  • At 11:11 AM, Blogger Kevin said…


    I'm sorry to have shocked you, but unfortunately, I still have to disagree. Perhaps it's not worth us arguing over semantics or would-be catch phrases, but I just think the 'stay the course' crap should go. I just don't understand how someone like yourself could find it motivating time and time again? I'd love to hear the president say something that actually captured my attention, even if I disagreed. At least I could respect him for trying.

    The "course" is staying in Iraq until the objectives are met.

    Fine. What are our objectives?

    The "course" is taking the fight to the enemy instead of letting the enemy dictate to us.

    But we haven't. I'm positive that any person (no need to insert the word terrorist here) could still do any unthinkable act to our country if they were so inclined. How has our multi-hundred-billion dollar war 10,000 miles away curbed that?

    Again, there ARE reasons for the war, but I don't see how any of them stop people from hurting our country if they wanted to. Are you going to tell me I couldn't fill my car with fertilizer and detonate it somewhere? How has 'staying the course' stopped me from being able to do that? ...and if it hasn't, then how has the war stopped anyone with that mindset from doing so? I've said earlier, that should reside in all of us because the cause is right and just.

    I'm not faulting what you say here, but let's bear in mind it's only a matter of opinion.

  • At 7:15 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said…

    There is the belief that a free people of a democratic nation is far less likely to engage in terrorist activity. Does that mean that it won't happen? Of course not. But every nation that adopts our form of government will also be providing more opportunities for more people and eventually, fewer people with the desire to blow themselves and others up. Every democratic nation enjoying the economic benefits of being so will be less likely to support terrorist groups, as it would not enhance their situation, as it might appear to now. On the contrary, it would behoove them to put a stop to activities that would interfere with their processes. This is the goal, and it isn't an overnight gig, but it is one that is noble and just, since it affords more people more hope and opportunity that does any radical Islamic theocracy. The fact that it is a difficult task that doesn't lend itself to immediate results does not diminish it's importance and necessity. Thus, we must 'stay the course'. Feel free to come up with a more exciting and compelling slogan, but stay the course we must.

  • At 3:10 PM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    Staying the course will work as well for Bush as it would have for the captain of the Titanic. The difference is that the ship's captian didn't deliberatley run into the iceburg...


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