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Monday, July 25, 2005

Former UK PM Major: Deport Haters and Terrorist Supporters

From Former Prime Minister John Major:

Deport all who 'spit hate' - Major 25 July 2005
People who "spit hate" at the British way of life should be deported, Tory former Prime Minister John Major said.
Mr Major spoke of the "uncomfortable reality" that many terrorists were born or lived in the UK but had been taught to hate its culture.
"There seem to be many people who, for reasons that are irrational, dislike the Anglo-Saxon way of life," he said.
He called for heavier penalties for those who incited violence at this "particularly sensitive time".
"Always difficult to balance this against freedom of speech but I think, at the moment, it is justifiable to protect the public," he argued.
Mr Major added: "As far as those who literally spit hate at our country and there are some of them - they spit hate at our country and they incite - I personally would be prepared to deport those where it is clear that what they are doing is causing civil unrest and may cost other people, as a result of that, their lives."
He also called for more CCTV cameras to deter the threat and the use of intercept evidence in courts. Interviewed on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, Mr Major urged the Government to consult widely over new anti-terror legislation.
"They are going to have to carry people with them at this moment," he warned.
He also defended the controversial shoot-to kill policy that led to the death of Jean Charles de Menezes.
"I rather prefer the expression shoot to protect rather than shoot to kill - I think that is a more accurate description of what happened."

http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/PA_NEWA21848461122279557A0?source=PA%20Feed

5 Comments:

  • At 6:36 PM, Blogger Messiah said…

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  • At 10:28 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    I realize you weren't posting anything specific about this article, Nick, but this one part is rather bothering to me:

    "He also defended the controversial shoot-to kill policy that led to the death of Jean Charles de Menezes. 'I rather prefer the expression shoot to protect rather than shoot to kill - I think that is a more accurate description of what happened.'"

    I mean, I could almost agree with some of what he had said until that section.

    I read your post the other day that defended the guy who was shot. I think you said something to the extent of 'when the cops tell you to stop, you stop'.

    But the reality is, that just isn't a good policy. I mean, perhaps some 14 year old is carrying a joint and gets scared so he runs. Perhaps you might argue he shouldn't have drugs on him in the first place, but I would have to imagine you wouldn't think he should be shot (to death mind you) for it.

    I don't know why that guy ran, but from what I understand, he was just a foreigner and was not found guilty nor even suspicious of anything.

    I mean, why don't the cops just use non-lethal projectile weapons or something like that? I know it's possible.

     
  • At 5:56 AM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    Kevin, the cops live their choices, not you. Also, non-lethal shit like tasers could trigger any timers or electric devices linked to explosives. Also, a taser won't stop a determined suicide bomber from triggering themselves. The dead guy was not a terrorist, and that's sad. However, if you were a cop and your city just got hit by suicide bombers you'd be nervous.

    And I have no problem supporting John Major. In fact, we ought to do it here also. If you hate America so bad, terrorists, leave, or we will kick you out.

     
  • At 11:09 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Nick,

    Nothing will stop a determined suicide bomber from triggering themselves, that's the problem, isn't it?

    Shooting to kill some guy as he runs from you is hardly going to prevent the former.

    I will ignore your lack of compassion by your '...and thats sad' comment.

    Don't take this the wrong way, but I almost hope that something tragic and entirely preventable happens to someone close to you. Not that I wish you or your friends or family harm, but perhaps then you'd understand the impact that such a thing could have on others lives.

    It's been stated that turning the other cheek only gets you slapped twice. But I believe it was Gandhi who said "An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind.".

    Surely there is a middle ground in there somewhere which we can strive for?

    Less-than-lethal weapons come in many shapes and sizes, far beyond the taser.

     
  • At 10:12 AM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    Less than lethal weapons? Like what, a baton? Baton won't reach a terrorist in time before they press a button and set up C-4. Fistacuffs don't work too well, when a blast hits you. Pepper spray? That's just like Binacca for those guys, seeing how most suiciders are usually in riots or actions of some sort. Like the Dread Pirate Roberts and iocane powder, the militants slowly build an immunity to pepper spray.

    Sorry, gimme a taser, and if that don't work, gimme a Glock, Smith & Wesson, or a Heckler & Koch MP5 Automatic. If I have to choose my life and everyone else's OR the bomber, I choose killing that Douche and making my peace with God later. Rather make peace with The Man later, and save others lives, than do nothing and get grilled on the other side.

    Your logic is assuming that the bomber is a nice and reasonable person. The 4 suicide bombers, moles, acted all cool, but they were hidden and in wait.

    Sorry, the cops DID THE RIGHT thing considering their edge and how tense London is. Moron Bombers best be glad they aren't in NYC or LA. They shoot more than the Brits ever do.

     

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