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Tuesday, November 29, 2005

Soldiers Sick and Tired of Negative Portrayal of their duty in Iraq


The Iraq story: how troops see it
By Mark Sappenfield Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

BROOK PARK, OHIO - Cpl. Stan Mayer has seen the worst of war. In the leaves of his photo album, there are casual memorials to the cost of the Iraq conflict - candid portraits of friends who never came home and graphic pictures of how insurgent bombs have shredded steel and bone.
Yet the Iraq of Corporal Mayer's memory is not solely a place of death and loss. It is also a place of hope. It is the hope of the town of Hit, which he saw transform from an insurgent stronghold to a place where kids played on Marine trucks. It is the hope of villagers who whispered where roadside bombs were hidden. But most of all, it is the hope he saw in a young Iraqi girl who loved pens and Oreo cookies.

And the Main Stream Media will never give that airtime. You have to look to blogs, Drudge, and other alternative media, since the so-called watchdogs of the US are trying to attack their own and not the bad guys. All we hear about is how many kids our troops kill. How many more were liberated? How many are not dead, thanks to our troops freeing them from a childrens' prison? Answer that if you dare....

Like many soldiers and marines returning from Iraq, Mayer looks at the bleak portrayal of the war at home with perplexity - if not annoyance. It is a perception gap that has put the military and media at odds, as troops complain that the media care only about death tolls, while the media counter that their job is to look at the broader picture, not through the soda straw of troops' individual experiences.

Translated media message: We make the news, stop telling us what to report. We report what we please. In short, shut up you stupid soldiers. You don't matter unless we say you do....Broad picture? Yeah, depends on who paints on the canvas.....

Yet as perceptions about Iraq have neared a tipping point in Congress, some soldiers and marines worry that their own stories are being lost in the cacophony of terror and fear. They acknowledge that their experience is just that - one person's experience in one corner of a war-torn country. Yet amid the terrible scenes of reckless hate and lives lost, many members of one of the hardest-hit units insist that they saw at least the spark of progress.

Spark of progress? Convenient how that's been buried under Nancy Pelosi's botox ridden face, and Ted Kennedy's gin breathe. Why don't we hear about the progress? Oh wait, libs like Ted Turner run the media. Silly me.

"We know we made a positive difference," says Cpl. Jeff Schuller of the 3rd Battalion, 25th Marines, who spent all but one week of his eight-month tour with Mayer. "I can't say at what level, but I know that where we were, we made it better than it was when we got there."
It is the simplest measure of success, but for the marine, soldier, or sailor, it may be the only measure of success. In a business where life and death rest on instinctive adherence to thoroughly ingrained lessons, accomplishment is ticked off in a list of orders followed and tasks completed. And by virtually any measure, America's servicemen and women are accomplishing the day-to-day tasks set before them.
Yet for the most part, America is less interested in the success of Operation Iron Fist, for instance, than the course of the entire Iraq enterprise. "What the national news media try to do is figure out: What's the overall verdict?" says Brig. Gen. Volney Warner, deputy commandant of the Army Command and General Staff College. "Soldiers don't do overall verdicts."

Overall verdict? Bet the overall verdict was a bleak one in late 1942, before Operation Torch or Stalingrad was encircled. Thank God the troops don't have to listen to the banterings of the Goebbels troops in the media. Just keep doing you job, troops. Screw the media.

Yet soldiers clearly feel that important elements are being left out of the media's overall verdict. On this day, a group of Navy medics gather around a table in the Cleveland-area headquarters of the 3/25 - a Marine reserve unit that has converted a low-slung school of pale brick and linoleum tile into its spectacularly red-and-gold offices.
Their conversation could be a road map of the kind of stories that military folks say the mainstream media are missing. One colleague made prosthetics for an Iraqi whose hand and foot had been cut off by insurgents. When other members of the unit were sweeping areas for bombs, the medics made a practice of holding impromptu infant clinics on the side of the road.
They remember one Iraqi man who could not hide his joy at the marvel of an electric razor. And at the end of the 3/25's tour, a member of the Iraqi Army said: "Marines are not friends; marines are brothers," says Lt. Richard Malmstrom, the battalion's chaplain.
"It comes down to the familiar debate about whether reporters are ignoring the good news," says Peter Hart, an analyst at Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting, a usually left-leaning media watchdog in New York.

They're ignoring it, no matter how much spin the lefties put in to justify it. 'W-w-well, progress is fine, but I see troops dying every day. We've lost over 2000 troops in 3 years. We lost over 2000 in 3 hours at Pearl Harbor and on D-Day, what's your point?

In Hit, where marines stayed in force to keep the peace, the progress was obvious, say members of the 3/25. The residents started burning trash and fixing roads - a sign that the city was returning to a sense of normalcy. Several times, "people came up to us [and said]: 'There's a bomb on the side of the road. Don't go there,' " says Pfc. Andrew Howland.
Part of the reason that such stories usually aren't told is simply the nature of the war. Kidnappings and unclear battle lines have made war correspondents' jobs almost impossible. Travel around the country is dangerous, and some reporters never venture far from their hotels. "It has to have some effect on what we see: You end up with reporting that waits for the biggest explosion of the day," says Mr. Hart.

And Hart tells us how the vultures work. Thanks Peter. Now we know that the saying, IF IT BLEEDS IT LEADS, is how the media responds to a war of liberation....

To the marines of the 3/25, the explosions clearly do not tell the whole story. Across America, many readers know the 3/25 only as the unit that lost 15 marines in less than a week - nine of them in the deadliest roadside bombing against US forces during the war. When the count of Americans killed in Iraq reached 2,000, this unit again found itself in the stage lights of national notice as one of the hardest hit.
But that is not the story they tell. It is more than just the dire tone of coverage - though that is part of it. It is that Iraq has touched some of these men in ways that even they have trouble explaining. This, after all, has not been a normal war. Corporals Mayer and Schuller went over not to conquer a country, but to help win its hearts and minds. In some cases, though, it won theirs.

Yes our troops are such conquistadors and killing off people in numbers that would make the SS jealous. Yeah, read about them rebuilding schools and homes. Stinking media.

Schuller, a heavyweight college wrestler with a thatch of blond hair and engine blocks for arms, cannot help smiling when he speaks of giving an old man a lighter: "He thought it was the coolest thing." Yet both he and the blue-eyed, square-jawed Mayer pause for a moment before they talk about the two 9-year-old Iraqis whom members of their battalion dubbed their "girlfriends."
The first time he saw them, Mayer admits that he was making the calculations of a man in the midst of a war. He was tired, he was battered, and he was back at a Hit street corner that he had patrolled many times before. In Iraq, repetition of any sort could be an invitation of the wrong sort - an event for which insurgents could plan. So Mayer and Schuller took out some of the candy they carried, thinking that if children were around, perhaps the terrorists wouldn't attack.
It was a while before the children realized that these two marines, laden with arms to the limit of physical endurance, were not going to hurt them. But among the children who eventually came, climbing on the pair's truck and somersaulting in the street, there were always the same two girls. When they went back to base, they began to hoard Oreos and other candy in a box.
"They became our one little recess from the war," says Mayer. "You're seeing some pretty ridiculous tragedies way too frequently, and you start to get jaded. The kids on that street - I got to realize I was still a human being to them."
It happened one day when he was on patrol. Out of nowhere, a car turned the corner and headed down the alley at full speed. "A car coming at you real fast and not stopping in Iraq is not what you want to see," says Mayer. Yet instead of jumping in his truck, he stood in the middle of the street and pushed the kids behind him.
The car turned. Now, Mayer and Schuller can finish each other's sentences when they think about the experience. "You really start to believe that you protect the innocent," says Schuller. "It sounds like a stupid cliché...."
"But it's not," adds Mayer. "You are in the service of others."
For Mayer, who joined the reserves because he wanted to do something bigger than himself, and for Schuller, a third-generation marine, Iraq has given them a sense of achievement. Now when they look at the black-and-white pictures of marines past in the battalion headquarters, "We're adding to that legacy," says Schuller.
This is what they wish to share with the American people - and is also the source of their frustration. Their eight months in Iraq changed their lives, and they believe it has changed the lives of the Iraqis they met as well. On the day he left, Mayer gave his "girlfriend" a bunch of pens - her favorite gift - wrapped in a paper that had a picture of the American flag, the Iraqi flag, and a smiley face. The man with the lighter asked Schuller if he was coming back. He will if called upon, he says.
Whether or not these notes of grace and kindness are as influential as the dirge of war is open to question. But many in the military feel that they should at least be a part of the conversation.
Says Warner of reaching an overall verdict: "I'm not sure that reporting on terrorist bombings with disproportionate ink is adequately answering that question."

And there we have it. The troops are doing good. The media ignores it, or spins the death to where that's all that appears to happen. Thanks, we understand that the media is more than a bunch of attention craving despots. They're are now degrading and morally attacking our troops. Thanks a heap. Glad this media never existed in WWII, we';d be flying the swastika if their surrender and doom and gloom coverage were in existence.

Keep up the good work soldiers. Even if the media doesn't want anyone to see, everyone else knows the truth.

God Bless you men and women in uniform.


  • At 7:02 AM, Blogger S. said…

    "They're ignoring it, no matter how much spin the lefties put in to justify it. 'W-w-well, progress is fine, but I see troops dying every day. We've lost over 2000 troops in 3 years. We lost over 2000 in 3 hours at Pearl Harbor and on D-Day, what's your point?"

    First, we were not the initial aggressors on either of the two actually declared wars hat you mentioned. Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack, and secondly the WMD smokescreeen of legitimacy has yet to yield ANY real evidence of actually existing.
    Translation: we decided to beat up some guy we didn't like.

    IF we are the great grand pooh bah liberators of the free world, huzzah; we should remember that our credibility in the middle east has been crap for decades, and not try to redo the panama problem. We should also try to save the dying by the droves peoples who are not possesed of large natural resources that we need. See credibility.
    Translation: forget poland. Remember rwanda. Then talk about children hacked to pieces and women raped by HIV infected men as an act of war.

    I respect the men and women of the US aremed forces toomuch to trust their welfare and deployment to the bloody hands of people who lie with impunity, and who refuse to take responsibility for the deaths of our troops, or for command mistakes. Apologist behaviour does not justify the deaths of our people. It just cheapens them.

  • At 9:52 AM, Blogger leftcoastmark said…

    Typical leftist s*&# from s. If America can't solve all of the injustice in the world we shouldn't do anything.

    Iraq had plenty to do with 9/11, along with Syria and others. WMDs WERE found but of course the leftist media won't report and people like s. won't research it for themselves but would rather believe the New York or L.A. Times.

    We are fighting a global war against vicious animals and the only way to win is to destroy them completely. These pigs attacked us and killed nearly 3000 innocent people in the process. Since our frog friends and others are too cowardly to participate we must pick and choose where and when to act. Afghanistan was first, Iraq next. There will have to be more if we are to survive as a nation in liberty. The only other option is to live under tyranny.

    Hey s. --- you're full of s*%&!

  • At 10:51 AM, Blogger Ranando said…

    Please someone, anyone, show me proof that Saddam Hussein and Iraq was involved in 911.

    Not just hearsay, proof.

  • At 3:53 PM, Blogger owdbob said…

    NAD O what the hell do you care about facts or proof. Ted Kennedy could PISS down your neck and tell you it's raining.You'd belive it.
    Heres a fact about deaths.
    If you consider that there have been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000. The rate in Washington D.C. (among others) is 80.6 per 100,000. That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in our Nation's Capitol, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq.

    Conclusion: We should immediately pull out of Washington D.C.

    Go CRY BABY ABOUT THAT dick face.

  • At 3:57 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Mark that was a cool post.

    I want to join you in your quest to kill all the brown people while still avoiding certain 4 letter words.

    Afterall, what kind of moral fiber is this country made of??

  • At 4:03 PM, Blogger owdbob said…

    Yea Mark s wishs she had a dick.
    So she'd look good in a bow tie like the rest of the Bull Shit Bolsheviks.

    s Are you talking about KOFI and the U.N. when you say?

    deployment to the bloody hands of people who lie with impunity, and who refuse to take responsibility for the deaths of our troops, or for command mistakes

  • At 4:18 PM, Blogger owdbob said…

    KY-Ivan Mark said nothing about color of skin.
    I think the Pillow Bitter just called you a BIGOT: Anyone who wins an argument with a p.c. liberal. Nice work MARK ; )

  • At 4:30 PM, Blogger owdbob said…

    YA know KY-Ivan I think the only four letter word you and the rest of the LIBERAL SCUM avoid is.
    All you Cock Suckers must have gone to see a Ward Churchill speech over the weekend.
    The Racist Bull Shit didn't work before and it won't work now.

  • At 4:51 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    kiss kiss bobby

  • At 5:21 PM, Blogger owdbob said…

    Must have nailed the last one KY.
    Nothing witty to say but kiss kiss.
    Your a Racist I think you hate White Folks and yourself.
    Hope you Hang yourself when your Jacking Off to that Kerry Edwards picture hugging each other.
    Have a great Night. Try to make me happy. : 0

  • At 5:53 PM, Blogger Ranando said…


    Where the Hell are you? Hope you had a great Thanksgiving with family and friends.

    I'm in Lake Tahoe and tomorrow I'm jammin to Dreamworks for a screening of Speilberg's Munich. After that back to Lake Tahoe for the Christmas Holiday.

    Hope all is well.

  • At 7:15 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    I am a racist indeed bob. I hate gay people too.

    As always, it's "you're", not "your" - ya dumbshit.

    I'll do my best with the scarfing suicide.

  • At 7:40 PM, Blogger owdbob said…

    Ya must hate gays if ya hate yourself. Thanks for the spell'n leason.
    NadO sounds like you got your SHIT PACKED. and KY-IVAN didn't.

  • At 5:31 AM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    Leave a thread alone and look what happens, sheesh. Ranando, I am fine, just extra busy at work. Thanksgiving was good, if you've never had a Turducken, try it. S, do you care to back up your assertions or is it cut and run like it is for Teddy and the other whiners? S, yeah, we didn't like Iraq's leader. Neither did Britain, Australia, Poland, or dozens of other countries who had tyrants and dealt with them.

  • At 8:26 AM, Blogger blamin said…


    You da man!!!

  • At 8:40 AM, Blogger blamin said…


    Excellent post! As usual, your detractors are ignoring the points made.

    First the libweenies argue we shouldn’t have gone to Iraq. When they lose that argument, they argue Bush lied to get us into Iraq. When they lose that argument, they argue we’re losing the war. When they lose that argument they repeat the cycle.

    Poor, pitiful, predictable, history challenged, pansy ass wipes.

    Anyone care to make a wager on the percentage of libweenies that would be whining and crying about our troops in Afghanistan even if we weren’t in Iraq?

    I’m betting 9 out of 10 (that’s 90%, RedundantO) would be sniveling, blathering, and convulsing over the Afghan war, regardless of what they may now claim.

  • At 9:40 AM, Blogger owdbob said…

    Yea blamin the game plan has not changed since Oct. 1917. < RED OCTOBER. Claim everyones a Racists, it's for the people, change the words every so often, Insult intelect, call names.
    Whine as much as possible, about everything. < How SHITTY LIFE IS.
    Same old COMMIE CRAP. ; )
    Have a GREAT "CHRISTMAS" BLAMIN & NICK Guess that will offend the ACLU love'n died in the BLUE Liberals.

  • At 11:26 AM, Blogger Kevin said…

    ...a total of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000. The rate in Washington D.C. (among others) is 80.6 per 100,000. That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in our Nation's Capitol

    Hey bob - I'm pretty sure thats not correct. You can't scale a percentage in that manner.

    For example, if it were 60 out of one million vs. 80.6 out of one million, your math would still suggest a 25% increase. ...but the 'per x' is significant.

    60 of 100,000 yields 0.06%
    80.6 of 100,000 yields 0.0806%

    Which means the likliness of being killed in DC over Iraq is about 20.6 in 100,000 people higher OR +0.0206%

    Not positive, but pretty sure that's right.

  • At 1:32 PM, Blogger owdbob said…

    Yea Ivan the 2112 deaths in 22 month still aren't as bad as the 3000 deaths in 30 min. on 9/11/01.
    Why should I check anything when I have a Little Korektnic Communist Bitch like you doing it.
    You'll fit right in with the KGB always watching. RIGHT Komrade KY.

  • At 2:52 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    ...that's interesting.

    I would say they are equally as bad.

  • At 3:21 PM, Blogger Ranando said…

    Let's try this again?

    Please someone, anyone, show me proof that Saddam Hussein and Iraq was involved in 911.

    Not just hearsay, proof.

  • At 4:54 PM, Blogger owdbob said…

    Why should anyone show you anything RUDOLF. Is that you in the picture? Who's the little trick behind you? Be a shame to waste that TANG on some stinking Liberal.
    You must have missed the MIG 26 Fox Bat they dug up in the desert.
    Purrdy HI TECK shit for a bunch of ARAB Rednecks. Guess you were watching Black Eye for the Queer Guy, or the Crying Game YA KNOW.

  • At 5:22 PM, Blogger Ranando said…

    Hey, That would be in the Butt Bob,

    Great pics of me at:

    Check it out and always remember Bob, "I'm Ranando and your not".


    I was at DreamWorks today and saw a screening of Speilberg's Munich, GREAT MOVIE.

    You will love it.

  • At 6:19 PM, Blogger owdbob said…

    She's doing ya in the BUTT! You LIBERALS are a STRANGE bunch.
    I realy didn't need to know that.(shaking head) No wonder your nose is RED. Damn what's that shit around your mouth never mind I think I aswered my own question.
    YUCK ! Is that some kind of gay porn site your trying to send me to? I would never try to be pretender to the throne RUDOLFO Ya QUEEN!

  • At 6:38 PM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    Munich looks interesting. However, Ran, I recommend watching the documentary One Day in September, first, and read the book of the same name by Simon Reeve. Reeve wrote, The New Jackals, about Osama, The Taliban, and the new Al Qaeda types. Chilling stuff.

    Kevin, I don't see Bob being a Racist, or others. I do see plenty of Democrats like Robert Sheets Byrd, and others touting their tolerant line, but Byrd still spouts "n---er" when he thinks of blacks who aren't, well, filing off the callouses on his old ass feet.

    S, what smokescreen on WMDS? What oh what did Saddam gas those thousands of Kurds with? What were SCUDS? And WTF was Saddam building a nuclear reactor for at Otsirak where power generators were not sending power OUTSIDE of the plant? I think the Israelis sniffed out Saddam and his terrorist leanings, why can't you?

    British intel had the same data, did they lie also? I mean Parliament and others cleared Blair of wrongdoing. Was Egypt and Jordan lying when they warned General Tommy Franks on gas attacks or weapons being sneaked outside Iraq?

    Tell me, is everyone wrong but you?

  • At 6:53 PM, Blogger Ranando said…

    One Day in September, been there done that. Both a great show and a great book.

    Munich is so real, it's like Saving Private Ryan, it's Fantastic.


    You need to take Bob out and get him laid or Butt Plugs or something. Get him a dog or sheep, something to calm him down.

    Does he spend alot of time in the bathroom? If so, he's going to need glasses real soon.

    I know, get him a Monkey.

  • At 8:26 PM, Blogger owdbob said…

    I see you have glasses Rudolfo I may need them from looking at that RED NOSE. Just because your a Commie Rudolf you can still look at the US gov sites.
    HEA KY do the math and spell check on this one.

    Talk about being kept in the dark by our so-called unbiased press.

    Did you know that 47 countries have reestablished their embassies in Iraq?

    Did you know that the Iraqi current government employs 12 million Iraqi people?

    Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation, 263 schools are now under construction and 38 new schools have been built in Iraq?

    Did you know that Iraq's higher educational structure consists of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers, all currently operating?

    Did you know that 25 Iraq students departed for the United States in January 2005 for the reestablished Fulbright program?

    Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational? They have 5-100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a navel infantry regiment.

    Did you know that Iraq's Air Force consists of three operational squadrons, which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft (under Iraqi operational control) which operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 bell jet rangers?

    Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion?

    Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers?

    Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce over
    3500 new officers each 8 weeks?

    Did you know there are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq? They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities.

    Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?

    Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October?

    Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq and phone use has gone up 158%?

    Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consist of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?

    Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?

    Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a recent televised debate?



    Instead of reflecting our love for our country, we get photos of flag burning incidents at Abu Ghraib and people throwing snowballs at presidential motorcades and Sheheen protesting the war.

    The lack of accentuating the positive in Iraq serves two purposes. It is intended to undermine the world's perception of the United States thus minimizing consequent support, and it is intended to discourage American citizens.

    ---- Above facts are verifiable on the Department of Defense website. Pass it on!

  • At 8:53 PM, Blogger Ranando said…

    Did you know that, "Take it in the ASS BOB" can't prove one thing he/she just wrote.


  • At 8:55 PM, Blogger Ranando said…

    "Above facts are verifiable on the Department of Defense website. Pass it on"!

    Can't find it anywhere?

  • At 1:42 AM, Blogger The Daily Carrier G:23 said…


    Did you happen to see the exchange between me and a certain lefturd, on another site you frequent, with the initials VDT who posted his picture and was stupid enough to post an address AND challenge me to a fight? Well, more acurately, he accepted said challenge.....idiot.

    The reason I ask is because of the photo coverups here.

    Are ya 'fraid that'll happen to you????

  • At 1:48 AM, Blogger The Daily Carrier G:23 said…

    Don't worry redundo.

    If it does happen to ya', it won't be from me. Your kind is so feminine it's akin to hitting a girl. Something I will never do, hiting the ACTUAL girl, that is.

    I don't mean to come off as threatening or trying to pick a fight. I just saw the pictures and it reminded me of VDT and how he must be wishin' he had NEVER posted his on the net.

  • At 6:03 AM, Blogger Ranando said…

    Hey g:23,,

    Always remember one thing, I'm Ranando and your not, LOL.

    Ya Baby, I'm off to see the Wizard!!!!!!!!!!!

    Cool Ranando Sightings, Now on The Ranando Report.

    By the way, WTF are you talking about?

  • At 8:47 AM, Blogger owdbob said…

    RudolfO I told my Bitch KY to do that. You most want to be my new BITCH. I'm not LDS. And IVAN would scratch your eyes out.

  • At 10:16 AM, Blogger owdbob said…

    You can't find the DOD web site?
    MAYBE they know your a COMMUNIST
    RUDOLFo, and wont let you in.
    Well since you like to travel maybe you should go over to Iraq and see for yourself. You may even see some WMDs. Have fun you can join the ER AHH freedom fighters or terrorists what ever the HELL you LEFTISTS are calling them today.
    Put your money where your mouth is PUNK ASS BITCH.

  • At 11:01 AM, Blogger Ranando said…


    Well, Spank my Monkey.

    Hurt me baby, make me write Bad Checks.

    I'm setting here in my house on the lake in Tahoe and your NOT!

    You are one, Phi beta Kappa my friend. You got it going on. Your the man.

    Remember, I'm RANANDO and your NOT!

  • At 11:51 AM, Blogger Kevin said…

    does anyone have a picture of bob?

    I can't lie bob - your continuing stupidity intrigues me.

    ...only because I just don't think anyone could say things as stupid as you do. That alone has lead me to believe that you are one ongoing act - but the fact that you keep that act up is whats so intriguing.

    someone, anyone, unmask this master of rhetoric for me to see.

  • At 7:44 PM, Blogger Ranando said…


    The only one I have just shows the top of his head and something sticking out of his mouth.

  • At 10:31 PM, Blogger Kevin said…


    ohhhhhhh yea - i think i might have a few of those too.

    bob's hot.

  • At 9:08 AM, Blogger owdbob said…

    Komrade KY you didn't KOREKT the post (s) made. You must be sliping or sleeping! Must be the tears in your eyes,or the double standards you Commies live by.

  • At 11:07 AM, Blogger Kevin said…

    I'm just shocked to find out that you think we live by any standards at all.

  • At 2:42 PM, Blogger owdbob said…

    A doubble standard is like no standards at all. Korektnic!

    You know like Sick Willy Klinton or HITLERY Klinton .

  • At 12:05 AM, Blogger chefwes said…

    Is s, for real?
    I am surprised that someone with such a LOW level of comprehension can actually type!
    First off, the idiot says "First, we were not the initial aggressors on either of the two actually declared wars hat you mentioned."
    How does this prove your point, besides negating it????
    Secondly, it says "Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack, and secondly the WMD smokescreeen of legitimacy has yet to yield ANY real evidence of actually existing.
    Translation: we decided to beat up some guy we didn't like."
    So... your point is that Saddam had NOTHING to do with terrorism, WMD's, nuclear, or not. and was not, nor never had been a threat to the US, the countries surrounding the borders of Iraq, and never had been, nor never would be?
    Not even considering the fact that Iraq invaded Iran and used chemical weapons, not only against the Iranian forces, but also used them against Iraqi citizens, both before and AFTER he invaded Iraq, to out down rebellions by people who disagreed with his regime?Which outbursts led to the UN "No FLy Zones" in the north and South of Iraq, which zones were mandated by UN resolutions, just a FEW of the resolutions that Saddam thumbed his nose at for 10 some odd years, which Saddam's thumbing his nose at, for such a prolonged period of time, led to further UN resolutions that if he did not comply to the legally binding resolutions, passed AFTER his illegal invasion of Kuwait, which resolutions led to the cessation of legal military actions against his regime and country, relating to his invasion of Kuwait and the resulting freedom of Kuwait from the aforementioned invasion, which the afore mentioned invasion was never legally stopped, but action was ceased, by the binding resolutions signed by Saddam and his government, predicated by his agreeing to stop his hostilities and to stop, and legally destroy, and legally confirm the destruction of the aforementioned WMD's or face sanctions, or the possibility of the resumption of the afore mentioned legal invasion of his country?
    Do you mean the ILLEGAL WMD's which were found? (even in the smaller than expected quantities) and those that are ( and were confirmed by Russian agents) to have been shipped into Syria prior to the resumption of military hostilities into Syria and other countries ( similar to the shipping out of the Iraqi Air force, prior ro rhe previous invasion to Iran, which, said airforce still sits, rotting under the Iranian sun, there in the desert, when Iran refused to allow said Airforce to be returned to Saddam? Possibly some of the same, ILLEGAL Wmd's that are now, and have been found to have been used against coalition forces by the "insurgency" (go ahead.. call them "terrorists" theyre using them against innocent Iraqi civilians!)
    Perhaps, Saddam was NOT involved, directly with 9'11, which assumption has NEVER been relegated, nor assigned by officials of the US government, but has been ASSUMED by the liberal MSM media here, in the US, for their own evil purposes (never has it been proved, simply, it has been loudly shouted, and assumed to be a fact by the idiotic follwers of the MSM for their owb evil purposes)
    But, I digress, let's look at the (easily refutable, as has been PROVEN innumerable times) about the Saddam/no terrorism connections...
    Is it NOT a proven, legal point that Saddam WAS involved in terrorism? Yes, it HAS been proven, Saddam Backed Palestinian terrorists, to the point of $25k, [rovided to the survivng family members of Palestinian "suicide" ( more aptly called "Homicide" bombers. fpr they were not committing "suicide", they were WILLINGLY committing "Homicide", against the Jews!) (care to argue that point, you will be crucified by ANY competent legal mind!)
    But, let us NOT forget, Saddam also HAD prior connections to the 9/11 terrorists, as has been PROVEN by other countries post 9/11 analysis of meetings between Saddam's Inteligence services and members of the 9/11 "Suicide Brggade" leadres, also as has been proven by Zarqawi's takking up permanent residence in Iraq AFTER the US invasion of AFghanistan!
    Need more eveidence, look at Saddam's acceptance and support of the Achille Lauro Hijackers, ad others!
    YOU friggin LIBERALS can NOT have it both ways, as a matter of FACT, you can NOT have it ANY way... you LOSE on all true recounting of the FACTS!\ I'm ChefWes... and you're NOT!
    BITE ME, asswipe!

  • At 11:10 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    you're a silly litle man full of shit.


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