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Monday, August 29, 2005

Who is Hugo Chavez?

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LINK to Article: http://www.nysun.com/article/19294

Who Is Hugo Chavez?
New York Sun Staff EditorialAugust 29, 2005URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/19294
For all the fuss about Pat Robertson's suggestion that America assassinate Hugo Chavez, there's been surprisingly little focus on just what Mr. Chavez has done to prompt such a rumination.
There's Mr. Chavez's extremist stance against America in the war on Islamic extremist terrorism. He opposed not only the Iraq war but even the effort to destroy Al Qaeda in Afghanistan after the attacks on America of September 11, 2001.
There's Mr. Chavez's treatment of his neighbors. A protege of Mr. Chavez, Evo Morales, for example, led the June demonstrations in Bolivia that resulted in the resignation of the pro-American president, Carlos Mesa. In his recent trip to Paraguay, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld said: "There is certainly evidence that both Cuba and Venezuela have been involved in the situation in Bolivia in unhelpful ways." FARC in Colombia, which the American government has designated a terrorist organization for its activities including car-bombing a Bogota nightclub, is another favorite of Mr. Chavez.
And then there's Mr. Chavez's treatment of Venezuela's own citizens. The State Department's "Country Reports on Human Rights Practices" for 2004 writes that the human rights group Red de Apoyo reported that on January 10, 2004, nine men were rounded up and executed. On March 10, Juan Carlos Zambrano "died after being beaten by soldiers who had detained him." His girlfriend was raped by the same soldiers. "On March 30, eight soldiers were burned in a punishment cell ... two of the soldiers died of their injuries." The State Department reports further that the International Association of Broadcasters complained that Mr. Chavez forces outlets to air his speeches.
Freedom House rates Venezuela as only "partly free" and said that Mr. Chavez's "victory" in August's recall vote was marked by credible reports from independent observers of "voter harassment, including physical intimidation and the reassignment of thousands of voters to far-away polling stations, and vote tampering."
None of this amounts to justification for the American government to assassinate Mr. Chavez, though we certainly wouldn't shed any tears if he were removed from power by some resourceful Venezuelans. But the contrast between the left's loud fuss over Rev. Robertson's comments and their silence about Mr. Chavez's actions signals that whatever its motivation, the furor surely doesn't stem from an evenhanded application of principles of nonviolence or human rights.

For more info on Chavez, and links to books and cites, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Chavez

10 Comments:

  • At 8:00 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    you're absolutely right -- i could give two shits about the human rights involved in this instance.

    so to clue you in, it has to do with the same thing that this whole war has to do with.

    it has to do with the fact that the united states and it's government does NOT have the right to act as a militant force to the rest of the world for the sole intent of greasing it's own political wheels.

    and on slightly more of a tangent, the words are illustrative of how anyone can use a religious platform (and any religion) to play their own game of god.

     
  • At 11:01 PM, Blogger Diana Kennedy said…

    Hi,

    I hope you don't mind that I come to a little visit here, too. I enjoyed your comment at Jimmy's Blog, so I wanted to know more.

    Well, as for this case: You know, the main problem that I have - from the perspective of a pagan of course - is to make the correct distinction. The christian right-wing and their "opponents" the al-queeda, are simply too similar.

    Let me explain:
    -They both claim to believe in a single, so said "true God".
    -They both say that all those who don't believe in this God will go to hell.
    -They speak out "fatwas" against people they don't like.
    -They dislike gays, lesbians, atheists, pagans and women who are dressed too sexy.
    -they blame the violation of human rights by others and get mad when others askthem to respect those said rights.

    It's really difficult for outsiders to look trough. They should be best buddies, normally.

    Robertson sure was no help: A religious leader demanding Chavez' assasination is way too oriental. The guy who speaked out the fatwa against Salman Rushdie will probably report Robertson for plagiarism.

    So for the sake of a better distinction, I strongly suggest that at least one of the parties get a new style.
    How about draging Chavez into a good old inquisition trial? Let him of course loose it and then burn him before public. Entrance 4$ Kids free. At least that is really christian culture!

    Mizz Kennedy - culture dept.

     
  • At 5:21 AM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    Kevin, go ahead and play blind Commie Lover taking Chavez side. He is a murdering, thug, and took one election by storm, the other he took by coup. Chavez is an antagonist, and while I do not defend how Pat Robertson said what he did, I do agree that Chavez is a threat. Also, Pat Robertson was not mentioned in this thread, so what type of sidetracking did you attempt in vain?

    And of course you libs don't give TWO SCHEISSES about human rights, unless its commies, gays, and whining helpless and demanding militant types like LULAC and the NAACP.

    And what did the war in Iraq get started on? Oil? Ooooooo! Bad premise since oil is going UP not down. You have no expertise in any of this. Stick to your toke and smoke crap. I am sick of sneering condescending bullcrap premise that this war was for oil. If it was oil, we'd have come out and said it and seeing how gas prices suck right now, it would have gotten support.

    Mullahs and other so-called Christians declare death to the Jews, death to the Americans, death to Christians. You'll be fine since you fall into NONE of the Categories.

     
  • At 8:58 AM, Blogger Van Helsing said…

    Here's a good piece on life under Chavez in the Weekly Standard. Also, a Moonbattery post on how he's let Caracas go to hell.

     
  • At 10:17 AM, Blogger Diana Kennedy said…

    Correct me if I'm wrong:
    But the point is not: "Who is Hugo Chavez?" but "Who are we?" ("we" - Americans, the West, etc).

    If we are supposed to be the good guys we should have aminimum of ethic superiority and not use the same methods as the bad guys. Unless you want a Hitler versus Stalin type of struggle.

     
  • At 10:38 AM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    I want neither type Diana. Tyrants is tyrants. Who are we? Hmmmm, we're the good guys last time I checked? And Jack Kennedy was all about throwing out Castro. Had he made it through, damn shame he did not- honestly no sarcasm, Jack would be leary of Chavez and his bombast also.

    Why is it when lefties scream human rights, the world should focus its attention?

    However, whenever someone aside from Amnesia International and so forth gives detailed reports, they are ignored?

    Are we only regarding fraternity pranks and underwear facemasks at Abu Graib as the real problem?

    How about Chavez little gulags in the jungles? How about Kim Jong Il? How about the beheadings in Iraq?

    How soon you all forget.

     
  • At 10:52 AM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Walters, walters, walters,

    I'll just address in order:

    1) " Kevin, go ahead and play blind Commie Lover taking Chavez side." -- I did not take his side. What I said, clear as I wrote it, was that we have no business 'exterminating' foreign leaders. It's not our country, it's not our problem, and to suggest that because someone hates our country means we should shoot them in the head?? right.

    2) "Also, Pat Robertson was not mentioned in this thread, so what type of sidetracking did you attempt in vain?"
    You are a moron. -- this is from the first few sentences of the ORIGINAL thread: "For all the fuss about Pat Robertson's suggestion that America assassinate Hugo Chavez" Notice Pat's name in there?

    3) "And what did the war in Iraq get started on? Oil? Ooooooo! Bad premise since oil is going UP not down." -- I think you need to read about commodities a bit more. Yes, I think the war had to do with oil, just as the first one did.

    4) "If it was oil, we'd have come out and said it and seeing how gas prices suck right now, it would have gotten support." This is entirely false. If you don't believe me, go an speak with an economics professor at your university.

    5) "Mullahs and other so-called Christians declare death to the Jews, death to the Americans, death to Christians. You'll be fine since you fall into NONE of the Categories." -- umm -- what a relief?

     
  • At 11:01 AM, Blogger Kevin said…

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  • At 11:02 AM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Nick,

    You wrote:
    "Hmmmm, we're the good guys last time I checked?"

    Ya know what's sad about that? It's actually a good sentence. Last time you may have checked, perhaps we WERE the good guys. Times have changed, however, and we are NOT the good guys. Terrorists are the bad guys, and our current administration are also the bad guys.

    Perhaps one is worse than the other, but there is no good vs. evil here.

    I know you always like to hold such a view regarding your grandfather fighting in WWII and such, and as mine did too, I understand. But they did fight for something.

    We're fighting politics and nothing more. Our president lied to 260 million people to gain support for a war, thousands of Americans have been killed and/or injured, we've alienated ourselves from a good majority of the rest of the world, markets are still in no good shape, and to top it all off, what progress have we made?

    The war isn't over and there is no end of it in sight. Not that there wasn't already, but now there is a HUGE insurgency in Iraq (can ya blame them?). The list goes on.

     
  • At 7:32 AM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    Hugo Chavez is the elected leader of his country. What's your problem?

     

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