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Friday, January 05, 2007

For Saddam's Sympathizers, Check Out Dis Shit

OK, the usual morons and terrorist supporters are denouncing Saddam's hanging, albeit no different then when Mussolini or Herr Streicher and Kaltenbrunner were executed after WWII.

To those of you crying for him, check out this link. This is the shit he did to his own people. These are Saddam's favorite methods of execution and torture. Warning: This shit is graphic, so don't view this on a full stomach or too late at night.....

http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html

15 Comments:

  • At 12:36 PM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    When did lynching become official US policy? Are we no better than Saddam, after all?

    And why was he turned over to the Mahdi Army (the same group that killed Casey Sheehan)?

     
  • At 4:01 PM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    Blah blah blah blah..... Saddam deserved death, eat it looneytunes.

     
  • At 4:41 PM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    And lawfully executing Saddam would have been a problem how? What exactly does America stand for?

    You're a fool if you don't recognize that this put the US in a much worse light in Iraq and the Middle east. Why would we do that?

    BTW--Mussolini was lynched by a mob. Is that the new American way?

     
  • At 7:24 AM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    Blah blah blah blah blah, let's let them all lives, says moonshine. Mussolini was shot by a firing squad and his corpse was hanged. Read your history you ignorant retch.

    Screw being put in a bad light with the Middle East. Let's see, the minute they stop beheading people and hanging women who are raped, then they can talk to us. Til then, they and their seventh century living selves can take a nice heaping cup of shut the fuck up. And you can join them, traitor.

    I care nil what those savages view us as. They've hated the west for centuries. What have they contributed besides some numerics and coffee? NIL, oh, strike that, they've perfected terrorism.

    You're an idiot if you think Saddam didn't deserve worse. But, since he killed Americans and called for the death of Jews, that's fine with you, isn't it Gruppenfuhrer?

     
  • At 6:23 PM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    All I ask is that executions be carried out in accordance with the law, that's all. But you conservatives don't have time for laws do you? Lynching is so much quicker.

     
  • At 6:24 PM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    BTW--It is a lynching when you are murdered by a mob, even if it is a bunch of Communists.

     
  • At 10:51 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Well - the good news in all of this (for Americans) is that since that video of the hanging was released on YouTube (and other sources), it seems that people are all of a sudden changing the way they think about capital punishment.

    Fox did an interesting interview a few days ago asking people if they saw the video and if so, how it made them feel. I found it interesting that even some of the more conservative people are changing their views of this issue.

     
  • At 10:03 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said…

    Kevin,

    It is not surprising that video of a lynching would give some pause. It's not a pretty sight. Since you find this to be a good result, that being the notion that some who were pro-capital punishment might turn from that position after witnessing an execution, I wonder what your opinion is of those who hold up giant photos of aborted babies on street corners. Those holding the photos hope to encourage the exact same change of heart by confronting pro-abortionists with images of the consequences of their position. Of course either will only have an affect on the more sensitive among us. I haven't yet checked out Nick's link, but having seen other horrific images from likes of Hussein, I can tell you that the lynching is no comparison to the actions of Hussein and his thugs. I would have the same revulsion for putting someone to death in a less horrible way. But that does not lessen my belief that capital punishment is necessary and indicative of our elevation of life to it's high place of honor. Capital punishment is just another very distasteful task that needs to be carried out from time to time.

    For cartooneyguy,

    Sadam was executed in accordance with the laws of the country by which he was judged. If you don't like the laws and procedures of that country, go complain to them. Are you suggesting that the values of another culture are somehow of lesser value than ours? So you didn't want us even going there in the first place, because Sadam was no threat, he was only killing his own people, what business is it of ours, but now you want us to try, sentence and execute him for crimes against his own people. You don't want us in Iraq, but you want us to dictate how they should deal with their own mass murderer. Makes perfect sense.

    How typical though, that you would agonize over the manner in which he was put down, rather than celebrate that a despot met his just end. So what if it wasn't pretty. Don't pretend you give a rat's ass about such things. This is merely another attempt to frame circumstances in a manner that looks as bad as possible for conservatives and/or the Bush admin.

     
  • At 11:45 PM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    MA, Both our military people and our State Dept determined that the execution was unlawful under Iraq law. They were overruled by Condi. You can look it up.

    It was later admitted by the Iraqi government that the execution party was "infiltrated." That was their way of saying that a Shiite militia did the killing. This was simply a lynching for Shia purposes. It does the US no favor in the Middle East and we will pay dearly for it.

     
  • At 10:03 AM, Blogger Kevin said…

    MA,

    I'm certainly not about to enter into a lengthy argument over both capital punishment and abortion in the same text - I don't think it's worth our time, but I can say that I disagree with you on both issues.

    The horrific sight of an execution isn't what bothers me (specifically me in this case), it's just the general notion of carrying out an execution. Kill someone in action by all means, but don't make it a premeditated and documented event.

    Say what you will to this, but it's just a matter of years before capital punishment is abolished in our country. I'll concede that it may be many years away, but I'm certain it will happen.

    And on the abortion issue, the only thing I find particularly interesting (and have written about before) is: Why is it a conservative trait to SUPPORT the death penalty and to NOT support abortion?

    And to answer, I don't really have an opinion of aborted fetus pictures. They don't bother me and while I disagree with why they're holding the signs, I understand and respect their point of view.

     
  • At 6:40 AM, Blogger Marshall Art said…

    Kevin,

    It would be a great negative to ban capital punishment by any other means except a lack of candidates for it. We cherish life as we must and manifest that belief by exacting the type of punishment that we do. It seems incongruous to you, but it is perfectly sound. And since our laws provide this punishment for particular crimes, those who commit those crimes are in fact requesting that punishment. So how much does life mean to you? It is so precious that there must be a severe penalty to match the severity of murder, otherwise justice is not served. If you wish to call it simple revenge, then any penalty for any crime is also revenge. I can deal with that attitude even if I don't share in it. Capital punishment is Biblically sound, if that matters to you, and not considered eye-for-an-eye as would a revenge killing by, say, the victim's father be.

    Thus, the distinction between capital punishment and abortion should be clear. The child committed no crime but is a victim of one. The murderer is a criminal who has by his actions shown to be a true candidate for capital punishment. The murderer is obviously not an innocent, defenseless, most vulnerable human being who's done nothing to anyone. The child, invited into the world by it's parents, is not a cold blooded son of a bitch who callously ended the life of another. So what would you do with an otherwise law abiding person who, in the privacy of her own home, murdered her child, ailing parent or spouse in order to deflect the hardship of caring for them? If there's any similarities between the two issues, it's that the mother has done that for which the murderer is about to executed. There's no comparison between the the murderer and child other than their lives are being ended. But the reasons are very different.

    gooney,

    I don't want to look it up. But I'll read a link if you've got one.

     
  • At 9:40 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Well, as I pre-noted, this argument would be a waste of time - but my first retort is simply that (and only since you asked) 'biblically sound' doesn't mean anything to me nor a lot of other people.

    I furthermore express that belief b/c it was once 'biblically sound' to execute someone on the basis of heresy. For some reason that has changed over the years.

    'It seems incongruous to you, but it is perfectly sound.'

    I think you'll also find that I write in a style similar to how I think - which is merely an expression of my belief(s). I suppose it wouldn't strike me as pompous if you had written (or now choose to write) this is your belief, but I can assure you it is not perfectly sound from my POV.'

    I'll leave it there b/c the abortion issue is just a wall. You repeatedly refer to 'it' as a child which makes our beliefs too different from the get-go.

     
  • At 10:45 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said…

    I use the term "it" for the sake of simplicity and because the sex of the child is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with my feelings for the innocent, vulnerable and unconsulted human being "it" is.

    As to what was once Biblically sound, be advised that how one atones for one's sins no longer requires blood since Christ shed his for all of us. But don't confuse that with punishment for breaking civil man-made laws.

    Please restate the pompous part. The whole paragraph is a bit cryptic (at least to me) except for the very end of it. As to that, it's unfortunate that each of our personal POVs are not always reflected in civil law.

     
  • At 4:25 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    I apologize for it sounding cryptic. I was just trying to express my point without being rude since your posts to me are generally very well constructed - despite are differing viewpoints.

    I was simply stating that part of your post sounded very arrogant - which is fine - but not something I have come to expect from you when we are rambling back and forth.

    You wrote:
    We cherish life as we must and manifest that belief by exacting the type of punishment that we do. It seems incongruous to you, but it is perfectly sound.

    On that topic of interest, I was merely stating that I do not believe your statement is perfectly sound at all. So while I respect your feelings on the matter, you should know that there is at least one person (myself) that does not find the said punishment perfectly sound.

    I'd still prefer not to get too deep into it as our views are so different, but just to give some light - I do not believe it's perfectly sound b/c the very vast majority of murderers, rapists, etc. are not of sound mind to begin with.

    This is not to give them sympathy per se, but rather point out that while their atrocities against fellow man are reprehensible and perhaps even unforgivable, are we so righteous in our 'sane' minds as to play god for them?

    To restate that point of view: if you (you personally) are so stable as to comprehend the mental instability that is a murderer or rapist, how can you (in your own sanity) sentence that person to die at your hand? Particularly after deliberating on the matter?

    Stated more simply: you're so intelligent as to see how fucked up they are, you feel you should kill them?

    (and that last paragraph wasn't about you in particular)

     
  • At 11:13 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said…

    OK, now I get it. My point was that it seems incongruous to a lot of people. To some all killing is the same. This is not true if you consider the difference between murder and killing in battle or for self-defense. Thus, to be pro-life and pro-capital punishment is not really a contradiction. To many, that is.

    Now it's easy to say that most criminals are nuts, but there is a line that separates the true nuts from those that know the difference between right and wrong. For that sake of this discussion, I was only referring to the latter. It is a deep subject and in this medium getting too detailed is troublesome. We hope our point is made without having to spell things out, but clarifications help at times. This is one. So my principles do allow for exceptions sometimes, depending on the issue.

     

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