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Friday, November 10, 2006

Pledge Banned for Campus by Students?

Oh check this out, I'm sure the veterans love the fact they bled for this country to have some little Che Guevera Demon Seeds defecate all over it....

Take you BP pills before you read this....

And get this little Trotskyite.....

"That ('under God') part is sort of offensive to me," student trustee Jason Bell, who proposed the ban, told Reuters. "I am an atheist and a socialist, and if you know your history, you know that 'under God' was inserted during the McCarthy era and was directly designed to destroy my ideology."

Bell said the ban largely came about because the trustees didn't want to publicly vow loyalty to the American government before their meetings. "Loyalty ought to be something the government earns through performance, not through reciting a pledge," he said.

Is anyone picking up on the fact that Jason here, other than being a selfish little putz, is a pompous one at that? I mean, he declares his beliefs more important than the majority of his campus or the country. Freedom of speech? Only if it agrees with Joe Stalin's little talking points. An atheist and socialist and he doesn't like it here.

Well, do what my grandad says, 'If you don't like it, move to Russia.' Seriously, Jason, move, leave the US. You and your kind are poison. And despite you last part being somewhat correct that the government must earn trust, the country and pledge are for more than the country, you little wank. Also, subverting the pledge doesn't work as many more will still do it.

Your godless brand of socialism worked so well in Russia, it only killed 50 million plus people. China, just as many if not more. The Killing Fields of Cambodia, just 30% of that country. Funny thing, socialism and communism are falling. God still remains. Odd how that works, Jason.


Yes vets, you fought and bled even for this chode.

Good luck America.


  • At 5:55 PM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    Ah, Liberty. It seems to drive you wingers nuts. Ha Ha!

  • At 11:18 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said…

    Drive us nuts, punyguy? No, you pathetic and very, very stupid little man. It makes us sad that any of the youth of our country fall for such lies. Lies and swill championed by "adults" like yourself who have already swallowed such crap whole like a whore swallowing her john's mess. Yeah, chump. We feel sadness for those kids, but contempt for vermin like yourself that leech on this country and infect it with your nonsense. You are such a large part of what's wrong with this country, no, humanity. You were born to be something special and you've chosen to be that which the rest of us point at and mock. You're a living example of clinical idiocy.

  • At 9:19 AM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    My dad fought in WWII and said he felt betrayed by those who inserted "under god" into the pledge. He said that wasn't what he was fighting for. I've not recited the pledge since those words were added. Nor will I ever...

    As for that board, they democratically determined how they would open their meetings. Is this not their right? If not, why not? You tell me. What part of freedom bothers you so?

  • At 5:12 PM, Blogger Ranando said…

    I was just thinking about how the Right always puts everything in the hands of God.

    Well, I wanted to thank God for watching over this great nation during this past election.

    I guess you can say God was with each and everyone of us when we voted. Thank you God for getting America back on track.

    God bless America.

  • At 9:55 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Oh ND. We've had this conversation half a dozen times; I doubt this one will be any different. Let's see.

    ...he declares his beliefs more important than the majority of his campus or the country.

    No he doesn't and you know it. It's not about semantics - it's about the fact that we're not governed by god in this country (despite the christian god's unfortunate influence in our laws).

    There ARE countries that ARE governed by god. Instead of Jason Bell moving away, why don't you want to move to one of those countries?

    Additionally, and as Mooney said, it [the decision] was through a democratic process. How can it be flawed? Isn't democracy what I keep hearing Bush say we're trying to win for the Iraqis? Why can't we use it since we've already fought for it?

    Loyalty ought to be something the government earns through performance, not through reciting a pledge

    I also agree with him.

    You probably won't like this thought, but I don't think I owe any loyalty to America. Until the U.S. government starts working for free, this is a paid position. I pay my taxes, they owe me a service - it's a really simple transaction.

  • At 12:57 PM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    Simple transaction, Kev? Well, consider yourself at the end of the line. Unfortunately, some of those fat cats work only if they get bribed or a 'nice gift or contribution....' Ever seen the movie True Colors? Had John Cusack and James Spader, two law school guys go their ways, one's a Senate candidate gone crooked, and the other, his best friend is the DOJ prosecutor who has to bust him. Good flick.

    Democratic process? Student Government, you know how manipulated Student Government is. High school ring a bell? It got all kinds of fluffy. Also, I ain't movin nowhere. I like it here too much. Minus the humidity, the hurricanes, the never ending road work, etc.....

  • At 1:29 PM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    Gosh, yeah, ND, nothing explains the real world like a fictional movie...

  • At 3:21 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Well - then to emphasize my point, I certainly don't owe any loyalty to corruption (bribes). you think I do?

    End of the line or not, I PAY for military protection, roads, bridges, dams, levies, healthcare, and a justice system.

    ...and I might add, just examining that very short list above, I get a pretty shitty ROI.

    So, I just want to reiterate WHY I don't think anyone owes one shred of loyalty to the government. When they start taking care of us just in the good nature of humanity, I'll curl up next to them at night. ...until then, it's a service.

    I should also remind you of an old saying - "Don't bite the hand that feeds you". I think a lot of people seem to apply this saying backwards when thinking of the US government. We [the people] are the hand, not the government.

  • At 3:24 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Democratic process? Student Government, you know how manipulated Student Government is. High school ring a bell? It got all kinds of fluffy.

    You're right. Elections after high school turn into non-partisan, non-influential searches for good leaders.

  • At 5:56 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said…

    When one recites the pledge, one isn't pledging loyalty to the government, but to the flag and to the republic for which it stands. Both "the flag" and "the republic" are representations of "us", not the government. Thus, these brainiac kids are less than fully educated. It could also be said that it represents the land upon which we live. So one would be pledging loyalty to one's home. Also, the phrase was inserted because of our concern over communism more specifically than socialism. So again, the kid's an idiot. Now for very, very stupid men, like mooney, an obvious nut who apparently hasn't fallen far from the tree, such distinctions might be lost. But then, as this kid seems cut from the same self-centered cloth as mooney, it's not surprising. I would also add, that whether or not they voted for this policy, flipped a coin, or pinned a tail on a picture of mooney, for it's a good substitute for a donkey's ass, it doesn't matter. What does is that these sad cases are of the belief that they, at their young age, have it all down to a tee. Yet, I would doubt that any of them have spent serious time examining the arguments for God's existence to have such a firm but fallacious conviction that He doesn't.


    I would not argue with the sentiments of your post in any way, for God indeed works in mysterious ways. We cannot know His purpose, thoughts, agenda. If what you say is true, then it's all good for God is perfect and makes no mistakes. It's certainly a head-scratcher what His purpose might be in allowing a party with such buffoonish leadership like Pelosi to take control in such troubled times, but if He wants it, I'm for it.


    Service? Do you expect your house to provide without your financial support? Can it cut it's own grass or feed it's inhabitants? Our country is our home. It needs financial support to be one. Even conservatives who want to pay as little taxes as possible only do so out of concern over paying too much for things that don't belong in the house (so to speak). But rather than cut the nation's grass ourselves, we elect people to do these things for us. Just as you would appreciate support for your favorite candidates that get elected, you must also support those that get elected that you didn't like. You don't have to like them, but only understand that they are still your representatives when elected to office. It's the way the system works. Don't forget that you're not the only one who lives in this house. Your taxes aren't investment dollars, they're paying for maintenance, so it doesn't show up in your ROI. Your investment comes with being a good and productive citizen and being involved in the process. You know, "Ask not..."

  • At 7:28 PM, Blogger Kevin said…


    I agree with most of what you wrote to me, though it seems it got slightly off track. I will try to clarify a few of my comments.

    Do you expect your house to provide without your financial support? Can it cut it's own grass or feed it's inhabitants? Our country is our home.

    No of course it can't. I have to pay for those things to keep it working. I understand this point and I pay for my house just like I pay for my government/country. But, that only exemplifies my point that I don't owe it loyalty, but rather the other way around.

    My government / country would be nothing without me (without us - collectively). Leaders should be gracious we selected them, not think they have godly powers over us.

    And I fully support leaders I disagree with - only because I support the way that they are put into power (aside from the electoral college process).

    As for the maintenance thing, again - I agree but fail to see how this means I owe my country loyalty? I'm paying for 1/300,000,000 of our country (in a manner of speaking). When my country fucks up, I want them to know they've fucked up. I want them to know that I want them to fix their services that I am paying for -- which is exactly how capitalism works I might add.

    Finally, and I have to give you a really hard time for this one when arguing reasons to be loyal to your democracy:

    I would also add, that whether or not they voted for this policy...

    ...Yet, I would doubt that any of them have spent serious time examining the arguments for God's existence to have such a firm but fallacious conviction that He doesn't.

    I hope you can see that this is 100% irrelevant. You can't for a second suggest that because they don't believe in god that their process is wrong. People's minds change as time goes on and as they learn and process. Regardless of their belief, they voted and those were the results.

    5 years ago 80% of this country supported this war. Now all of a sudden the bulk of our country is siding with people they once called crazy, unpatriotic, etc., etc.

    ..things change.

  • At 9:06 AM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    The issue isn't flag and republic; the issue is including a god in the pledge. We are a secular nation and are free not to believe in ghosts and goblins. To require us to acklowledge an invisible sky fairy is unacceptable to many of us and, this being a free country and all, we are free to not participate in such a pledge.

  • At 9:51 AM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Though mooney lacks tact, he is correct.

    I've gotten way off track on my posts. The simple fact remains that we've no reason to recognize ANY diety in our pledge.

    Also, the phrase was inserted because of our concern over communism more specifically than socialism. So again, the kid's an idiot.

    I've researched this quite a bit in the last day and that actually doesn't really seem to be true. ...perhaps it was a nice side effect.

    Wikipedia does a good job summarizing it:

  • At 11:44 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said…


    A few points:

    The McCarthy era was all about communism as I recall. This is what the kid was referring to.

    I wasn't disputing their process, the fact that they voted, rather I was lamenting the fact that they think they believe as they do, or that they think they are justified in their beliefs. Of course we are free to believe what we want. It doesn't mean our beliefs are correct, sensible, founded on facts, or so worthy as to be free of mockery. mooney's free to believe whatever stupid crap he wants, and I support that right. But I believe he's an idiot and deserving of laughter.

    Once again, we are pledging allegiance to each other, not the government. So your discontent with the policies or results of the government is what is irrelevant. And the kids make the same mistake in thinking the pledge is a show of loyalty to the government. It's just not the way it is. For one to be an American has absolutely nothing to do with who is in office or how well the government is performing it's duties. In fact, I would argue that one's dislike for the workings of the government is a way of showing loyalty, if that anger is based on a desire for what's best for the country. There are those like mooney, who are more concerned with loyalty to themselves and what's best for them is paramount, and they should at least show some level of loyalty to the best country for enjoying such a masturbatory existence.

    " You can't for a second suggest that because they don't believe in god that their process is wrong."

    I don't. My point was that their atheism is likely based on little if not nothing. It's been my experience that for most atheists, their non-belief isn't based on any real research, logic, or that they actually labored before coming up with their position. Rather, for all the bluster to the contrary, it seems to be more of a simple choice (which of course they're free to make) that allows them to forgo certain considerations concerning behavior in which they desire to engage. Which is kinda weird, as they use God, or rather their stated atheism, to justify their behavior, rather than any reasoned secular explanation for why there's no problem with their behavior.

    BTW, "God" is a proper noun like "Kevin", and therefor the "g" should be capitalized if you are to say, "...because they don't believe in God..." as opposed to. "...because they don't believe in 'a' god..." I'm sure that was an oversight.

    For the moondog,

    The issue is exactly the flag and the republic. The item describes the kids' refusal to recite the pledge and why. The mention of God was only a part of it.

    But the insertion of the phrase into the pledge is in line with the founders' belief that our rights are from God ("endowed by our Creator"). They certainly believed that we are a nation under God's protection and blessings. And the fact is that they designed a secular government to administer to this Christian nation. This distinction has been made consistently over the time the USA has been in existence. And that there should be no religious references on public buildings, in public documents or in public debate is a concept put forth with religious-like fervor for a relatively recent and brief period of our history. You'd think a self-centered prick like yourself would be content to live in a country as you do without having to pretend you actually give a rat's ass about such things. You ain't kiddin' nobody.

  • At 5:01 PM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    The foundres didn't put god into the pledge did they? In fact. the foundres had nothing to do with the pledge at all. What does that tell you?

  • At 10:28 AM, Blogger Marshall Art said…

    That tells me that you're a piece of crap. Only an idiot, that would be you, mooney, would fail to understand that the founders felt we are of God, not the other way around. Thus, as they believed our rights are endowed by God, that they would feel we are a nation under Him is a stretch of reason only for very, very stupid people like yourself. But hey, don't worry loser. I know you don't give a rat's ass about "under God" in the pledge. You don't much care to be loyal to the United Sates of America. You only care about yourself, you masturbatory lowlife.

  • At 12:42 PM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    MA, I enjoy watching your debating skills go sailing into the toilet when you realize that you are on the losing end. You just get shriller and shriller, secure in the knowledge that if you scream loudly and profanely enough, everyone will recognize your brilliance. You'd be surprised at how seldom that works...

  • At 4:44 PM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    Hey, Marshall, if this is a Christian country how come there's no cross on the American flag?

  • At 11:27 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said…


    For stupid retort #1: That you think I am on the losing end is just more illustration of your own stupidity. You have yet to counter my point with an intelligent argument. If there's a "loser" here, it's you on so many levels.

    For stupid retort #2: Is that the best you can do? What makes you think that there'd be any desire to change the flag to which we so willingly and happily pledge allegiance? It is only the very, very stupid, like yourself, who claim that Christians want a theocracy. You really need to pick it up a little and strive harder to find that clue you so sorely lack.

  • At 4:56 PM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    Marshall, what do you mean, change the flag? I want to know why the founders didn't put a cross there to begin with. I thought you said they were establishing a Christian nation...

  • At 11:18 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said…

    Maybe you should take notes, nimrod. As has been stated over and over, it's a Christian nation with a secular government. Like I said in my last post, no one is looking to form a theocracy, and the founders weren't either. The establishment clause is for that purpose, but that's not the same as a country of Christians. So what are you going to twist next?


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