US has detained over 83,000 Terrorists
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U.S. Has Detained 83,000 in War on TerrorNov 16 2:56 PM US/Eastern Email this story
By KATHERINE SHRADER
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON
The United States has detained more than 83,000 foreigners in the four years of the war on terror, enough to nearly fill the NFL's largest stadium. The administration defends the practice of holding detainees in prisons from Afghanistan to Guantanamo Bay as a critical tool to stop the insurgency in Iraq, maintain stability in Afghanistan and get known and suspected terrorists off the streets.
It seems to have worked in Afghanistan, to a good degree. Hamid Karzai has been free from more assassination attempts since detaining some of the Taliban and foreign fighters. Oddly enough, there have been fewer attacks here. Wait, how about none since September 11, 2001.
Iraq is a mess, though. The terrorists there ought not be detained, just straight up killed. They seem to be like moths attracted to a light. Well, too bad they're heading straight for the bug zapper known as the US and Allied Troops.
And if we wanna house em, somewhere, why not the Superdome in its present condition? Uncleared refuse and all.....
Roughly 14,500 detainees remain in U.S. custody, primarily in Iraq.
And how many of them have killed American and Iraqi peace officers and civilians? The Middle East believes in the death penalty. Use it then. These guys aren't there for purse snatching and cashing hot checks.
The number has steadily grown since the first CIA paramilitary officers touched down in Afghanistan in the fall of 2001, setting up more than 20 facilities including the "Salt Pit," an abandoned factory outside Kabul used for CIA detention and interrogation.
And if the interrogations are getting terrorists off the streets and preventing death and destruction, who is opposed? Aside from the Euroweenies and their mooselimb handlers? And the liberals and turncoats here? Would the terrorist victims oppose a little rough housing to save more lives? I think not.
In Iraq, the number in military custody hit a peak on Nov. 1, according to military figures. Nearly 13,900 suspects were in U.S. custody there that day _ partly because U.S. offensives in western Iraq put pressure on insurgents before the October constitutional referendum and December parliamentary elections.
Yes, oddly enough the voters aren't getting killed and democracy can flow forth, in this drought ridden land in the Middle East.
The detentions and interrogations have brought complaints from Congress and human-rights groups about how the detainees _ often Arab and male _ are treated.
And not a peep when Nick Berg, Paul Johnson, Margaret Hassan, and others were beheaded and tortured on Al Jazeera. Congress? Wow, I think we know who's complaining. Ted Kennedy (committed water torture at Chappaquiduck- Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment), Dick Durbin (compares our troops to SS Deaths Head camp guards. The liberated of Iraq could not be reached, they were busy starting new lives....), and Nancy Pelosi (her voice is just torture, period). Arab males. Wow, you noticed that most terrorists are guys? Hmmm, could it be since the fundamentalist mooselimbs view women as cows and incapable of much aside from children, sex, and housekeeping? And the US is called backward....whatever.
International law and treaty obligations forbid torture and inhumane treatment. Classified memos have given the government ways to extract intelligence from detainees "consistent with the law," administration officials often say.
The same international laws that forbade Genocide, but Hitler and Saddam still broke those paper tiger laws. Laws do no good without enforcement. And the treaties ought to be refreshed. Is it not cruel and unusual to kill unarmed civilians by gassing them, Saddam? Is it not cruel and unusual to crash a plane into the Towers and result in people jumping to their deaths? How soon these whitewashed tombs of diplomats forget real victims.
On Capitol Hill, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is leading a campaign to ban cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment of prisoners in U.S. custody. The administration says the legislation could tie the president's hands. Vice President Dick Cheney has pressed lawmakers to exempt the CIA.
"There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again. And so you bet we will aggressively pursue them. But we will do so under the law," President Bush said last week.
OK George, and what if the enemy does not play by the rules? Shall we fight, one hand tied behind our backs and the other covering our balls? Cut their hands and let em fight. Unless we want another 9/11 or worse.
Some 82,400 people have been detained by the military alone in Afghanistan and Iraq, according to figures from officials in Baghdad and Washington. Many are freed shortly after initial questioning.
And the worst are still detained. Hopefully never to go free.
To put that in context, the capacity of the Washington Redskins' FedEx Field, the NFL's largest, is 91,704. The second largest, Giants Stadium, holds 80,242.
An additional 700 detainees were sent to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Just under 500 remain there now.
In Iraq, the Defense Department says 5,569 detainees have been held for more than six months, and 3,801 have been held more than a year. Some 229 have been locked up for more than two years.
And we have a problem, why?
Many have been questioned by military officials trained at the main U.S. interrogation school, Fort Huachuca in Arizona. Pentagon officials say those mistreated are relatively few when the sheer numbers are considered.
And we know how many were mistreated by the Taliban and Saddam's einsatzgruppen. Hundreds of thousands, not counting the dead.....
Yet human rights groups say they don't know the extent of the abuse. "And there is no way anyone could, even if the military was twice as conscientious. It is unknowable, unless you assume that every act of abuse is immediately reported up the chain of command," said Tom Malinowski, Washington director for Human Rights Watch.
And Tom will try and get every act documented. He'll forget the fact these terrorists try and kill guards on a daily basis, and have slaughtered dozens if not thousands in their lifetimes. Yes, let's let the mad dogs with rabies go play, shall we?
As of March, 108 detainees were known to have died in U.S. military and CIA custody, including 22 who died when insurgents attacked Abu Ghraib and others who died of natural causes. At least 26 deaths have been investigated as criminal homicides.
Well, that's 108 less of the bastards to deal with. Prefer they eat up your tax money with their accommodations? Prefer we let them loose and send em to your house or apartment? What would you prefer?
Last week, Senate Armed Services Chairman John Warner, R-Va., said that more than 400 criminal investigations have been conducted and 95 military personnel have been charged with misconduct. Seventy-five have been convicted.
And the indictments were doubt the result of liberals and their own inquisitions. Such victims included Lt. Col. Allen West, US 4 ID, saved troops from IEDs by getting terrorist to confess on locations of bombs (shot pistol near gonads of said terrorist). West was threatened with court martial and life in prison, but acquitted. Lt. Ilario Pantano, USMC, shot and killed 2 terrorists perceived as a threat to his platoon. Pantano faced the death penalty courtesy of liberals in the JAG Courts, but was also acquitted. How many more of our guardians must face a kangaroo court, rather than face and defeat our enemies?
Through the CIA, a much smaller prison population is maintained secretly by the agency and friendly governments. A network of known or suspected facilities _ some of which have been closed _ have been located in places including Thailand, Central Asia and Eastern Europe.
The governments of Thailand and a number of Eastern Europe countries have denied the CIA operated prisons within their borders. The agency consistently declines to comment.
And what country would want to admit they have terrorists housed on their soil, besides their own? And what country would want to stop interrogations that may save their countrymen, and not just Americans?
About 100 to 150 people are believed to have been grabbed by CIA officers and sent to their home countries or to other nations where they were wanted for prosecution, a procedure called "rendition." Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt are known to cooperate.
And by the war, Saudi, Jordanian, and Egyptian interrogation methods are roughter than ours. If you've seen Marathon Man or even Battle For Algiers, those were European Gestapo methods. The methods of the native Arabs would have made Heinrich Himmler piss his pants....
The practice has taken on a negative connotation, but that wasn't always the case. In a December 2002 speech touching on intelligence successes, former CIA Director George Tenet said the agency and FBI had "rendered 70 terrorists to justice."
Never heard from again, most of them. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
While officials won't confirm the number, another two to three dozen "high-value" detainees are also believed to be in CIA custody. Among them, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, an alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.
Alleged? Check the 9/11 Report. He's listed dozens of times, and a key planner and mastermind. Mohammed was apprehended by Pakistani IS and handed to us. Thanks, boys. And oddly enough, more attacks like 9/11 stopped when the brain was cut off. Coincidence?
As House Intelligence chairman in 2004, CIA Director Porter Goss took a strong stand on some of the gray areas of detention practices. In an AP interview, he said, "Gee, you're breaking my heart" in response to complaints that Arab men found it abusive to have women guards at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp.
Bwahahahahahha! You tell em, Goss!
Before Goss took over the agency, its inspector general completed a report on the treatment of detainees, following investigations into at least four prisoner deaths that may have involved CIA personnel. To date, one agency contractor has been charged.
Don't be suprised....
The inspector general's report discussed tactics used by CIA personnel _ called "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques." Former intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the practices are classified, say some interrogation techniques are well-known: exposing prisoners to cold, depriving them of sleep or forcing them to stand in stressful positions.
Perhaps the most publicly controversial technique is waterboarding, when a detainee is strapped to a board and has water run over him to simulate drowning.
Not the more humane methods of the terrorists that include, but not limited to: Beheadings, hangings, gunshot wounds, burning alive, burning with pokers, cutting, dogs, tying grenades to your neck, etc...... And of course, the quickest method, hijack a flight, slam it into a skyscraper and kill everyone on the plane, instantly. Now the folks in the buildings, they're SOL of course.
Before we hear more about how bad the US and our allies are treating, let's ask the victims of terror what they think of punishment and interment.
Children of Beslan, Russia? No comment, most were killed.
Bali tourists and natives? No comment, hundreds killed.
September 11? No comment, from the nearly 3,000 killed.
Kurdistan? No comment from the 250K or more murdered.
Earth, cover not their blood.- Job.
U.S. Has Detained 83,000 in War on TerrorNov 16 2:56 PM US/Eastern Email this story
By KATHERINE SHRADER
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON
The United States has detained more than 83,000 foreigners in the four years of the war on terror, enough to nearly fill the NFL's largest stadium. The administration defends the practice of holding detainees in prisons from Afghanistan to Guantanamo Bay as a critical tool to stop the insurgency in Iraq, maintain stability in Afghanistan and get known and suspected terrorists off the streets.
It seems to have worked in Afghanistan, to a good degree. Hamid Karzai has been free from more assassination attempts since detaining some of the Taliban and foreign fighters. Oddly enough, there have been fewer attacks here. Wait, how about none since September 11, 2001.
Iraq is a mess, though. The terrorists there ought not be detained, just straight up killed. They seem to be like moths attracted to a light. Well, too bad they're heading straight for the bug zapper known as the US and Allied Troops.
And if we wanna house em, somewhere, why not the Superdome in its present condition? Uncleared refuse and all.....
Roughly 14,500 detainees remain in U.S. custody, primarily in Iraq.
And how many of them have killed American and Iraqi peace officers and civilians? The Middle East believes in the death penalty. Use it then. These guys aren't there for purse snatching and cashing hot checks.
The number has steadily grown since the first CIA paramilitary officers touched down in Afghanistan in the fall of 2001, setting up more than 20 facilities including the "Salt Pit," an abandoned factory outside Kabul used for CIA detention and interrogation.
And if the interrogations are getting terrorists off the streets and preventing death and destruction, who is opposed? Aside from the Euroweenies and their mooselimb handlers? And the liberals and turncoats here? Would the terrorist victims oppose a little rough housing to save more lives? I think not.
In Iraq, the number in military custody hit a peak on Nov. 1, according to military figures. Nearly 13,900 suspects were in U.S. custody there that day _ partly because U.S. offensives in western Iraq put pressure on insurgents before the October constitutional referendum and December parliamentary elections.
Yes, oddly enough the voters aren't getting killed and democracy can flow forth, in this drought ridden land in the Middle East.
The detentions and interrogations have brought complaints from Congress and human-rights groups about how the detainees _ often Arab and male _ are treated.
And not a peep when Nick Berg, Paul Johnson, Margaret Hassan, and others were beheaded and tortured on Al Jazeera. Congress? Wow, I think we know who's complaining. Ted Kennedy (committed water torture at Chappaquiduck- Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment), Dick Durbin (compares our troops to SS Deaths Head camp guards. The liberated of Iraq could not be reached, they were busy starting new lives....), and Nancy Pelosi (her voice is just torture, period). Arab males. Wow, you noticed that most terrorists are guys? Hmmm, could it be since the fundamentalist mooselimbs view women as cows and incapable of much aside from children, sex, and housekeeping? And the US is called backward....whatever.
International law and treaty obligations forbid torture and inhumane treatment. Classified memos have given the government ways to extract intelligence from detainees "consistent with the law," administration officials often say.
The same international laws that forbade Genocide, but Hitler and Saddam still broke those paper tiger laws. Laws do no good without enforcement. And the treaties ought to be refreshed. Is it not cruel and unusual to kill unarmed civilians by gassing them, Saddam? Is it not cruel and unusual to crash a plane into the Towers and result in people jumping to their deaths? How soon these whitewashed tombs of diplomats forget real victims.
On Capitol Hill, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is leading a campaign to ban cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment of prisoners in U.S. custody. The administration says the legislation could tie the president's hands. Vice President Dick Cheney has pressed lawmakers to exempt the CIA.
"There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again. And so you bet we will aggressively pursue them. But we will do so under the law," President Bush said last week.
OK George, and what if the enemy does not play by the rules? Shall we fight, one hand tied behind our backs and the other covering our balls? Cut their hands and let em fight. Unless we want another 9/11 or worse.
Some 82,400 people have been detained by the military alone in Afghanistan and Iraq, according to figures from officials in Baghdad and Washington. Many are freed shortly after initial questioning.
And the worst are still detained. Hopefully never to go free.
To put that in context, the capacity of the Washington Redskins' FedEx Field, the NFL's largest, is 91,704. The second largest, Giants Stadium, holds 80,242.
An additional 700 detainees were sent to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Just under 500 remain there now.
In Iraq, the Defense Department says 5,569 detainees have been held for more than six months, and 3,801 have been held more than a year. Some 229 have been locked up for more than two years.
And we have a problem, why?
Many have been questioned by military officials trained at the main U.S. interrogation school, Fort Huachuca in Arizona. Pentagon officials say those mistreated are relatively few when the sheer numbers are considered.
And we know how many were mistreated by the Taliban and Saddam's einsatzgruppen. Hundreds of thousands, not counting the dead.....
Yet human rights groups say they don't know the extent of the abuse. "And there is no way anyone could, even if the military was twice as conscientious. It is unknowable, unless you assume that every act of abuse is immediately reported up the chain of command," said Tom Malinowski, Washington director for Human Rights Watch.
And Tom will try and get every act documented. He'll forget the fact these terrorists try and kill guards on a daily basis, and have slaughtered dozens if not thousands in their lifetimes. Yes, let's let the mad dogs with rabies go play, shall we?
As of March, 108 detainees were known to have died in U.S. military and CIA custody, including 22 who died when insurgents attacked Abu Ghraib and others who died of natural causes. At least 26 deaths have been investigated as criminal homicides.
Well, that's 108 less of the bastards to deal with. Prefer they eat up your tax money with their accommodations? Prefer we let them loose and send em to your house or apartment? What would you prefer?
Last week, Senate Armed Services Chairman John Warner, R-Va., said that more than 400 criminal investigations have been conducted and 95 military personnel have been charged with misconduct. Seventy-five have been convicted.
And the indictments were doubt the result of liberals and their own inquisitions. Such victims included Lt. Col. Allen West, US 4 ID, saved troops from IEDs by getting terrorist to confess on locations of bombs (shot pistol near gonads of said terrorist). West was threatened with court martial and life in prison, but acquitted. Lt. Ilario Pantano, USMC, shot and killed 2 terrorists perceived as a threat to his platoon. Pantano faced the death penalty courtesy of liberals in the JAG Courts, but was also acquitted. How many more of our guardians must face a kangaroo court, rather than face and defeat our enemies?
Through the CIA, a much smaller prison population is maintained secretly by the agency and friendly governments. A network of known or suspected facilities _ some of which have been closed _ have been located in places including Thailand, Central Asia and Eastern Europe.
The governments of Thailand and a number of Eastern Europe countries have denied the CIA operated prisons within their borders. The agency consistently declines to comment.
And what country would want to admit they have terrorists housed on their soil, besides their own? And what country would want to stop interrogations that may save their countrymen, and not just Americans?
About 100 to 150 people are believed to have been grabbed by CIA officers and sent to their home countries or to other nations where they were wanted for prosecution, a procedure called "rendition." Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt are known to cooperate.
And by the war, Saudi, Jordanian, and Egyptian interrogation methods are roughter than ours. If you've seen Marathon Man or even Battle For Algiers, those were European Gestapo methods. The methods of the native Arabs would have made Heinrich Himmler piss his pants....
The practice has taken on a negative connotation, but that wasn't always the case. In a December 2002 speech touching on intelligence successes, former CIA Director George Tenet said the agency and FBI had "rendered 70 terrorists to justice."
Never heard from again, most of them. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
While officials won't confirm the number, another two to three dozen "high-value" detainees are also believed to be in CIA custody. Among them, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, an alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.
Alleged? Check the 9/11 Report. He's listed dozens of times, and a key planner and mastermind. Mohammed was apprehended by Pakistani IS and handed to us. Thanks, boys. And oddly enough, more attacks like 9/11 stopped when the brain was cut off. Coincidence?
As House Intelligence chairman in 2004, CIA Director Porter Goss took a strong stand on some of the gray areas of detention practices. In an AP interview, he said, "Gee, you're breaking my heart" in response to complaints that Arab men found it abusive to have women guards at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp.
Bwahahahahahha! You tell em, Goss!
Before Goss took over the agency, its inspector general completed a report on the treatment of detainees, following investigations into at least four prisoner deaths that may have involved CIA personnel. To date, one agency contractor has been charged.
Don't be suprised....
The inspector general's report discussed tactics used by CIA personnel _ called "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques." Former intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the practices are classified, say some interrogation techniques are well-known: exposing prisoners to cold, depriving them of sleep or forcing them to stand in stressful positions.
Perhaps the most publicly controversial technique is waterboarding, when a detainee is strapped to a board and has water run over him to simulate drowning.
Not the more humane methods of the terrorists that include, but not limited to: Beheadings, hangings, gunshot wounds, burning alive, burning with pokers, cutting, dogs, tying grenades to your neck, etc...... And of course, the quickest method, hijack a flight, slam it into a skyscraper and kill everyone on the plane, instantly. Now the folks in the buildings, they're SOL of course.
Before we hear more about how bad the US and our allies are treating, let's ask the victims of terror what they think of punishment and interment.
Children of Beslan, Russia? No comment, most were killed.
Bali tourists and natives? No comment, hundreds killed.
September 11? No comment, from the nearly 3,000 killed.
Kurdistan? No comment from the 250K or more murdered.
Earth, cover not their blood.- Job.
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