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Monday, November 14, 2005

Americans Back Tough Interrogations

Now, before you liberals PMS and get your undies in a wad, read the whole article, before just focusing on the op-ed.

Twits.

LINK: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/13/144852.shtml

Poll: Americans Back Tough Interrogations

By a nearly 2-to-1 margin, Americans support U.S. interrogators doing "whatever it takes" to get information from terrorist suspects who might be planning attacks against U.S. interests.

Oh hohohoho! Well, that's not something the wittle wiberwals wanna hear! Let's read shall we?

An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll shows 55 percent of those surveyed support the current policy that allows tough interrogation tactics - while just 30 percent say that techniques now being employed by U.S. intelligence go too far.

Nice poll kids, but as usual, the liberals screwed up this poll. They could not make it any more obvious. More Americans, than shown in this poll, no doubt want tough interrogation. They want their lives and their loved ones safe, no matter how much some guy cries having panties put on his head, barked at by mean dogs, or having a lady MP laugh at his infant-sized junk......

30 percent? What city did they take this in? Detroit? LA? Did you boys take this at a mosque?


"They don't want to know what the specifics are," NBC's Andrea Mitchell said Sunday while discussing the previously unreported survey. "They agree with whatever it takes."

And with that being said, let's let the experts interrogate without some suitcase toting lawyer breathing down their necks. Time for the Cub Scouts to pack it in, let's get ole Jack Bauer from 24 on this.....

'Your lawyer can kiss my ass.....'-Jack Bauer, Season 1.


The finding would be a boost for Vice President Dick Cheney, whose been under fire from the press for opposing Sen. John McCain's proposal to reign in U.S. interrogators.

McCain, let's talk about this. McCain was a vet, he got tortured. Understandable for his objections. But, Mr. Senator, if we have enemies willing to saw off heads and burn folks alive, how can we reason with those same koranimals? We can interrogate, but unlike the Viet Cong and the Al Qaeda and Gestapo types, we aren't doing it for fun. We're SAVING LIVES, not RUINING and HURTING, like was done to you, sir. We're not sadists, we're life-savers.

One technique, waterboarding - which has been decried as "torture" by critics - was used on 9/11 operations chief Khalid Sheik Mohammed.

Awww, poor wittle Sheik got wet, awwwwww. Too bad, these same critics didn't care when Daniel Pearl's throat was slashed, he was bled, and beheaded. Where were they for Nick Berg, Kenneth Bigley, Margaret Hassan, or even Paul Johnson? How about the other Muslims that these terrorists kill and torture? I say, fight fire, with fire. Show you have the will, or show yourself a willing victim.

The tactic yielded "rich and important information about terrorist operations" - according to the New York Times.

Yeah, like stopping more attacks on the USA. Getting names of other terrorists. Getting banks and financial info, so we could shut this part of Al Qaeda down. Would these 'critics' prefer we let them go on and kill? Only, as long as it makes conservatives and Americans look bad. Kill a liberal, and they'll get mad.

Well, tough crap.

Question: If any of you had your family, loved one, or others held hostage and their death was certain, if and only if you tortured a guy to reveal their whereabouts to stop it, would you do it? Would you have the guts to make a bad man talk, or would you take the liberal high horse and let them die?

Are your own perceptions of right and wrong gonna keep you company, as good as say your family, friends, and others that ought to live?

What do you value?

14 Comments:

  • At 9:29 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Nick,

    When asked if war will ever cease to be you wrote:

    It won't end, til there is a realization that aggression only causes more war and death.

    I guess that doesn't apply to the US utilizing aggressive tactics for the rest of the world to see?

     
  • At 9:32 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    I say, fight fire, with fire. Show you have the will, or show yourself a willing victim.

    So again, I'm looking at your 'aggression causes more war and death' line. But still, you contend we should fight fire with fire?

    Where'd it all go so wrong ND? You know fighting the rest of the world will only cause more fighting, and yet, you still contend we do it or die trying. Why?

     
  • At 8:05 PM, Blogger chefwes said…

    That kind of thinking would have led to defeat in WW1, WW2, the Korean conflict, the Spanish American War, the American Revolution, and the Vietnam war... oh yeah, it DID, in the case of the latter! You think the freedoms you have to even SAY that come without the cost of millions of American lives, Kevin, or, do you think, that now that we HAVE the freedom, it will always, automatically be there, that it doesn't need to be defended?
    Take, for instance, a dark night, in some downtown, somewhere, your car has broken down, your cell phone won't work, for your out of range, you have no choice but to walk, looking for help. You're confronted by someone who demands your wallet and valuables, or your life. You give up your wallet (your first freedom), you get away, to live another day.
    The perpetrator now has your drivers license, he sees what a wimp you were the first time, he decides to break into your house, knowing you're an easy mark. You're there, with your wife, your kids, your family, he threatens to kill one, or all of them if you go resist. You give in, for, after all, you still have your freedom.
    It escalates, a bit at a time.
    How much of your freedoms are you willing to give up before you finally stand and fight for yourself and your family?
    Say the guy has contacts in the Police force and knows when & if you call them, the cops can't be there for you 24/7.
    Would you ever get the balls to stand and fight?
    Appeasers, like you (and yes, the stabce you are advocating is to give in, let them have what they want, much like the appeasers in Europe and the US, in pre WW2, the ones who were stating "Give Hitler the Sudetenland, and he'll leave us alone" next was "give him Poland, give him the netherlands" etc etc etc "he'll leave us alone, he said this was all he wanted".
    History, leave the agressor be, he'll get stronger and stronger, requiring more and more from you, until, one day you are forced to face him, if you choose to live your lifestyle, or even if you choose to live.
    These Islamofascists do not care WHAT you want, they want WORLD domination, the whole WORLD under Muslim rule. THAT, my friend is Histroy! THAT is what the first and second Jihads, where the Muslims were attempting to take control of Europe, the KNOWN world, at the time, were all about! That is truly what the crusades were in direct answer to, irregardless of your revisionist history.
    Osama Bin Laden himself has STATED this! Many Islamofascist Muslim preachers are saying the same thing, over and over and over again, day after day after day, in Mosques all over the world.
    In the Radical Muslim Mind, YOU, sir, are an INFIDEL, that leaves them with 3 choices, to convert you, to KILL you (this is what JIHAD is all about), or, to enslave you. Yes, you CAN live, but only by paying exorbitant taxes (I believe it's called dhimmitude, but the word escapes my mind at the moment).
    Knowing this, the choice is yours, if you disagree, so sad, too bad, the facts are out there, all over the internet and the world, in printed form. Try reading the Quran!
    Freedom is never FREE, there is ALWAYS a cost, go to ANY Military cemetery and visit the men and women who have paid the cost, for YOU to be able to speak your mind! Better yet, go to ANY Muslim country and try to preach Christianity, or go to uba and try to teach Freedom!

     
  • At 9:47 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Sounds like a fun time.

    I was commenting on what Nick had written:

    It [war] won't end, til there is a realization that aggression only causes more war and death.

    ...and so I guess it's safe to say that you too figure war will never end?

    That's a shame.

     
  • At 11:44 AM, Blogger blamin said…

    Kevin

    Wars will never end; only the scope or size of war will change. Sorry bub, that’s human nature.

    I don’t personally know you, but I’m going to make a guess here. Perhaps the reason you’re having such a hard time with Nick’s perspective is because you’re the typical liberal who believes himself an advanced intellectual, able to see clearly while so many haven’t a clue. You believe if you and yours could just teach (or if that didn’t work, indoctrinate) others to realize these great truths you’ve learned, then everything would be hunky dory.

    I’m sorry, but as far as human relations go, there is nothing new in this world. Everything that is happening now has happened at some point in the history of mankind. So if you believe liberals or pacifist have the plan for “strawberry fields forever” then you’re just fooling yourself.

    History has shown time and time again that trying to reason with barbarians, trying to appease terrorist, ignoring and giving in to those who will take by force that which doesn’t belong to them, never works.

    History has also shown time and time again that, getting aggressive with aggressors, a good offense is a good defense, or fighting fire with fire, does work. It may never permanently end all wars but it definitely changes the scope or size of a particular war.

    BTW the more you and your comrades shout your beliefs, the more you endanger the rest of us who understand what a good defense involves, the more you give comfort and aid to the enemy, the more irresponsible you prove yourselves to be.

     
  • At 12:02 PM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    So again, I'm looking at your 'aggression causes more war and death' line. But still, you contend we should fight fire with fire?

    Aggression by the EVIL causes more death, war to end aggression causes short term loss, not long term. Look at how well the harbingers of war were assuaded by Chamberlain in 1938. Not very well. Look no further than the gutless French placating a bunch of swine burning property and people. These types of animals deserve no pity, they have shown reason and pleas of decency do not work. So that's what fight fire with fire is. They go past the point of no return, then we must respond.

    If not, we become a worse target. Apparently, you prefer kissing up to your enemies rather than calling a spade a spade, and a demon a demon. Let the rest of the world get bent, we've kept them safe and they never ask why. Screw em. Marshall Plan or Japan's Reconstruction ring a bell?

    Where'd it all go so wrong ND?

    Nothing went wrong. Oh, you mean, when did I get so upset and not wanna placate the libs and their Islamofascists? Well, probably since the start of college.

    You know fighting the rest of the world will only cause more fighting, and yet, you still contend we do it or die trying. Why?

    The rest of the world is not against us, and before you present some bullshit poll or set of quotes, remember this. They don't like our tactics, as they have not the will or juevos to do a thing. The Europeans sighed in relief when the Berlin Wall fell, but they yelled and pissed and moaned about Reagan calling the Soviets bluff. The Euros again were happy the US got to kick Nazi and Jap Asses, but were whining that we dare not interfere in their business. Thank God there were some Churchill types back then. Your kind would be content with the swastika flying, as long as you lived.

    And as far as the rest of the world picking a fight, bring it the hell on. If they're that suicidal, fine. If they want us to behave like the worst of Hitler and the Kaiser, sure, they force us into a corner, how shall we respond?

    And that's not gonna happen and you know it.

    The World is fickle. They want protection and safety, but they question the manner in which it is done? I got two solutions for them. They can be nice, and thank us for our trouble and be on their ways. Second, they can grab a gun, man a wall, and fight. Either way, I don't give a damn what they think. Let them know what we think.....

    You don't speak German all over the world, thanks to us. You are not living under Mao or Stalin's red flags, you're welcome. You're about to overran by the koranimals, and we're saving you, yet again.....(tapping foot)

    No thank you? Hmmmmm.

     
  • At 1:02 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    I don’t personally know you, but I’m going to make a guess here. Perhaps the reason you’re having such a hard time with Nick’s perspective is because you’re the typical liberal who believes himself an advanced intellectual, able to see clearly while so many haven’t a clue.

    Actually it's moreso because I've known Nick for 12 years now and have seen many sides of him.

    I’m sorry, but as far as human relations go, there is nothing new in this world. Everything that is happening now has happened at some point in the history of mankind.

    Well that's certainly a bleak outlook on the world.

    BTW the more you and your comrades shout your beliefs, the more you endanger the rest of us who understand what a good defense involves, the more you give comfort and aid to the enemy, the more irresponsible you prove yourselves to be.

    I don't think I shouted anything. I just asked a question. Had I shouted, however, I am confused how it '...endangers the rest of us who understand what a good defense involves...'

    So you're also suggesting that the very freedoms in which you think you are fighting to protect can not even be used? ie: People can't speak their opinion for fear that your 'defense' might not succeed?

    I'm afraid I just don't follow that.

     
  • At 1:09 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    These types of animals deserve no pity, they have shown reason and pleas of decency do not work. So that's what fight fire with fire is. They go past the point of no return, then we must respond.

    Fine. While I do not agree with you -- I will just leave that part of it alone. Difference being, how effectively did we fight communists? I seem to recall not very well.

    Are you going to tell me McCarthyism was a good thing?

    This is just another generation of that and you know it. It's one thing to fight a country - but it's another to fight an ideology. The most effective way is simply to disseminate fear of the ideology into people. ie: People in our country are AFRAID of muslims - as if Muslims have done something wrong. They have not. Some small radical sect of them has done something wrong, no one else - and yet we just cant help but generalize. Why?

    There are so-called radical muslims ALL over the globe. But, the vast bulk of muslims around the world are as peaceful as anyone else.

    So you generally suggest we just kill all of them. Does that sound right to you?

    ...because we can't tell the difference, just eliminate everyone.

     
  • At 1:47 PM, Blogger blamin said…

    Kevin,
    You posted:
    “I don't think I shouted anything. I just asked a question. Had I shouted, however, I am confused how it '...endangers the rest of us who understand what a good defense involves...'

    So you're also suggesting that the very freedoms in which you think you are fighting to protect can not even be used? ie: People can't speak their opinion for fear that your 'defense' might not succeed?

    I'm afraid I just don't follow that.”

    I’m afraid you do follow that, but if the concept is really that difficult for you, let me try to spell it out.

    I know that some are against this war, some for honorable reasons, and some for blind hatred of the “opposition”, or capitalism, or the unfair advantage of “being American” or whatever their mushroom enhanced “reality” suggest. Being against this war and for our soldiers presents a conundrum. As rational human beings we have to realize that “loud openly”, being against the war, is demoralizing to our troops, while at the same time uplifting and giving hope to our enemy. So what do you do if you’re truly against this war for “honorable” reasons?

    I don’t know, maybe talk to friends and family, express your opinion at the ballet box? If you are truly against the war for honorable reasons (not just blind hate for GB), I guess you have to attempt to actually sway people with well thought out, reasonable discourse. We shouldn’t shout our disdain for our president and leaders from the rooftops and stoke the fires of our enemies. We can show a united front to our enemies and keep the bickering behind closed doors – as much as possible.

    You see, as of right now Bush and his admin. have the facts, as they have been investigated, on their side, and the left has nothing but malicious accusations and specious arguments. You may not personally be spewing the venom, but when you support those who do, you’re giving aid to the enemy.

     
  • At 1:49 PM, Blogger blamin said…

    Kevin,
    You posted:
    “I don't think I shouted anything. I just asked a question. Had I shouted, however, I am confused how it '...endangers the rest of us who understand what a good defense involves...'So you're also suggesting that the very freedoms in which you think you are fighting to protect can not even be used? ie: People can't speak their opinion for fear that your 'defense' might not succeed? ...I'm afraid I just don't follow that.”

    I’m afraid you do follow that, but if the concept is really that difficult for you, let me try to spell it out.

    I know that some are against this war, some for honorable reasons, and some for blind hatred of the “opposition”, or capitalism, or the unfair advantage of “being American” or whatever their mushroom enhanced “reality” suggest. Being against this war and for our soldiers presents a conundrum. As rational human beings we have to realize that “loud openly”, being against the war, is demoralizing to our troops, while at the same time uplifting and giving hope to our enemy. So what do you do if you’re truly against this war for “honorable” reasons?

    I don’t know, maybe talk to friends and family, express your opinion at the ballet box? If you are truly against the war for honorable reasons (not just blind hate for GB), I guess you have to attempt to actually sway people with well thought out, reasonable discourse. We shouldn’t shout our disdain for our president and leaders from the rooftops and stoke the fires of our enemies. We can show a united front to our enemies and keep the bickering behind closed doors – as much as possible.

    You see, as of right now Bush and his admin. have the facts, as they have been investigated, on their side, and the left has nothing but malicious accusations and specious arguments. You may not personally be spewing the venom, but when you support those who do, you’re giving aid to the enemy.

     
  • At 1:58 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    fine. so again, I think your words are without merit in my situation.

    I am not an activist. At least not in the sense of what we expect to see on TV.

    I write on political blogs to express my opinion. If that is demoralizing to our troops - I don't know what to say.

    I don't have any blind hatred towards GB. I do however want to smack that grin off his face everytime he has to tell the world what we are doing. I want to tell him to show a little respect for those around the world who DO NOT support what we are doing. I have no problem being on the winning side, but I'm also in favor of respecting those who we win against.

    Now having said all of that about myself, I would still suggest that:

    We shouldn’t shout our disdain for our president and leaders from the rooftops and stoke the fires of our enemies.

    ...is just incorrect (IMO). And again I ponder, what is the purpose of freedom if you don't use it? Or worse, having a freedom if you CAN'T use it - for fear of what may become?

    I thought that was one of the purposes of our country. ...that if you don't like the leader (be it for honorable reasons or otherwise [as you put it] ) - you can tell him to piss off and that's your perogative.

    Maybe the people shouting actually DO agree with the 'enemy'? I have no idea - but it seems that they should be able to express that.

     
  • At 3:38 PM, Blogger chefwes said…

    Kevin,
    Have you ever read, or heard about the former N Vietnamese commanders who have admitted that they used words spoken by Americans, against American prisoners of war during their tortures, in order to break them?
    Are you aware that the whole "Peace Movement", going further the whole "Liberal" Movement was originally begun and financed by the former USSR, as has been admitted by former officials of the KGB?
    Remember Lenin's (or was it Stalin or Kruschev, I forget exactly who, without looking it up, and I'm being lazy today) boast to "bury the US", to rule the world? How do you think this was to be accomplished, not through purely military means, it was through what is known today as "Psy-Ops", psychological operations used to plant and water the seed of ideas which you wish to have spread. Spreading the defeatist mind spread, in this case through the MSM and protests, in order to weaken support for the war. It worked VERY well in the case of the Vietnam "conflict" costing MILLIONS of Asian lives throught the Asian continent.
    Once again, this is historical FACT, you can deny it, but you can not refute it. The facts are out there, in print, and in the internet, all it takes is a little research to inform yourself.
    If it werent so sad and dangerous, it would be laughable that Liberals fail to understand just how much they are being manipulated.
    You're a UT grad, congratulations, it takes a lot of study, a lot of hard work to get a degree from a major university, unless you're a star athlete, of course, which, I gather you aren't. Do not think that you know EVRYTHING and that you can stop learning and growing as a person, simply because you have a degree from one of the great state of Texas fine, LIBERAL bastions of "Education".
    On another note, Thank you Nick for instituing the use of the word verification system to stop the spam!

     
  • At 4:17 PM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    Wes, that was Nikita Sergeivich Khrushchev, Central Committee Chairman of the USSR, slamming his fists on the table at the UN, and his shoe. Who buried whom, though?

    I'd say we fought the Commies pretty well, albeit we have China, Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, and now Venezuela to deal with.

    McCarthy's tactics were questionable, but the VENONA Papers he had were not. There were more commies than Hiss and Chambers and all of those on the HUAC and McCarthy committees combined. Yes, we came close to tearing the US apart, and we can thank the libs and Marxists for it.

    They did enough damage with Vietnam, and letting us wuss out against Krushchev, ask the Cubans in the US how well we handled the commies with the Democrats in office.

    And no, I don't say kill ALL OF THEM, again you're lying and cramming words into my arguments that were never there. You are reading into something, you cannot dare explain or try and tackle. I am saying, kill the terrorists and their immediate backers. All the rest get their one and only warning.

    Step into your headscarf or try and kill our people, you in turn shall be killed right back.

    The Muslims as a whole have done nil wrong that could be construed as ALL OF THEM. However, what they have done WRONG, is not speaking out against the radicals who run off at the mouth unchallenged. The opposition against the radicals is pathetic at best, a sham at worst. They say they tried and stopped the bad guys. Prove it.

    Otherwise, your GB thrashing, your ND character assassination, Wes taunting, etc. are useless. We're not the best humans, but we're not on the side of the muzzis. We're not saying Israel is a bunch of criminals. We're not blaming the USA for the woes of the world.

    Does anyone remember the British, French and other empires that drew up the current Middle East? Did Monsieur Clemeceau and Sir Lloyd George give much thought at Versailles or in their Palestine and Persian mandates? How about Africa? Before the US must endure more slings, let's remember we INHERITED Vietnam from France. We inherited Israel and Palestine from a faulty UN Mandate and others. We didn't start these messes, but we can sure as shit finish it.

    So Kev, before you shake your head in disapproval and self-righteousness, remember this. I didn't give up on the USA. I didn't give up on Christianity. I am not a perfect embodiment of any of the above, but I didn't quit. Can you say the same?

     
  • At 7:05 PM, Blogger chefwes said…

    Well thought out and worded post Nick!
    Kevin, Yes, I feel war will never end, it hasn't throughout all human history, the animal kingdom shows no end to "wars", the law of survival of the fittest is still in effect, and always will be, whether it be for greed, crops, water, freedom, religion... whatever, it will not end, until JC himself comes back and ends it all.
    I know, you do not "believe" in JC, thats your choice, so, to you, with those beliefs, I say, no, it will never end!

     

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