Not So Young But Angry Conservatives Unite

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Monday, August 15, 2005

Cost of Gas = Your First born child

Yeah, it will get that bad. Big oil says, "well, it's due to the market. Due to low output. blah blah blah...."

Be honest, you wanna pad your golden parachutes more, huh boys? Admit it, you're GOUGING US! Some of us drive four door sedans and we're feeling the pinch! Imagine how bad life is for a contractor who has to drive a duel truck all over creation!

Here's an article on why it's bad and why BIG OIL will make it worse:

I have a couple of solutions:

1. BUILD NEW REFINERIES! We haven't built a new petro refinery since the 1970s. A Generation has been born and grown up since the last ones were built. We need them, NOW!

2. TELL THE EPA TO TAKE A HIKE. Tell the EPA whackos, militant hippies, and other Leftwing whackjobs to shut up! Stop making it so hard to get the fuel out of the earth that WE NEED TO SURVIVE ON!

3. OPEC. Opec needs to just cease to exist. They are more or less the mafia and they are extorting everyone.

4. You put one here......


  • At 10:54 AM, Blogger RightWingRocker said…

    4. Get on with the drilling in ANWR.


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  • At 12:42 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    awww no, more spam?

    What gives blogger??

  • At 12:52 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Well, I generally like to drive large trucks and such (tho I have a Saturn)

    But, I suppose #4 could be that if Americans drove the cars that they actually NEEDED to drive, then the supply of already refined gas would be higher and in a bizarre twist of supply/demand economics, the prices would tend to lower (rather than raise as that model would otherwise suggest).

    I mean, I see moms driving their dog around in a 9 seater Lincoln that gets some 13mpg. It's just not necessary, and the fact that my car gets near 2.5x that is just ridiculous.

    Look at the statistics of how many Americans drive SUVs. Do we really have that many contractors/farmers/etc in this country? I suspect not.

    I hate to say it, but I think it's only fair that America finally get a small dose of what it deserves. We want to drive houses, and we should pay for such.

    In addition, we're only STARTING to near what other countries around the world pay for petrol and yet, we are by far the most irresponsible when it comes to being conservative (WRT gas/petrol).

  • At 1:00 PM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    I don't drive a house, and hell if I should pay for that! Yeah, I got a Saturn also.....

  • At 1:36 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Well, fair enough. But that's why I stated that I (capital I) also have a Saturn.

    It's like sales tax, perhaps it would be better if we taxed according to item purchased per household income, as sales tax is otherwise regressive. But, it would be an impossible system to manage.

    Likewise, it's near impossible to 'judge' the value of ones mpg and suggest that you should pay less. Since the broader scope of America is generally irresponsible, perhaps we are all just finally starting to pay.

    PS: What Saturn do you have? =]

  • At 2:34 PM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    1999 S-Series 4 door sedan. Gold, and has 58K on it.....

    And of course US Flag Sticker, UH alumni Sticker, Jesus Fish, and a W04 sticker.

    And you libs think you're the only ones who think about fuel economy!


    Just kidding.

  • At 4:30 PM, Blogger Ben said…

    5. push for alternative energy sources.

  • At 8:05 AM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    6. Indict some of these oil execs on their business practices and racketeering. They did it to Standard Oil back around 1910.....

  • At 5:23 PM, Blogger owdbob said…

    SELL WHEAT at $65.oo a bushel. Oh the W.T.O. would stop that fast. EXPORT ONLY! BEEF evan more at least our COWS aint CRAZY!

  • At 8:31 AM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    Well, you guys just signed a new energy bill into law. I guess everything will be better now, right?

  • At 9:36 AM, Blogger NDwalters said…

    Mooney, shut up you worthless troll......

    We didn't sign shit, the President did. And energy wouldn't be the issue, if you hippie whackjobs would let us tap that iced keg, known as ANWR.

  • At 10:33 AM, Blogger Staci said…

    Kevin, what the fuck do you mean that America gets what it deserves? What the fuck do we deserve? We deserve a fucking break from that kind of talk. You compare the aide we have given outside of our borders since our inception and you find ONE, just ONE country that comes close. I'm sick of that shit and I would slap the shit out of you if you were in front of me right now.

    And irresponsible compared to Europe? Dude, you are a fucking loon. How many Europeans do you really know? Hmmmmm? Based on that stupid comment, not many. Do you realize in England alone, before 911, they paid more in gas than they did their mortgage. Do you also realize they drove SMALLER CARS? Didn't think so. But see, you would never have spewed that garbage if you knew or had ever been there.

    And your tax theory? Give me a break. Shit, your obviously a socialist who have no problem sneering down your nose at what others drive. You think Joe Bloe driving a little VW opposed to a Suburban is going to lower YOUR gas prices? And your economic theory is based on what, fantasyland economics?

    Step away from the bong!!!

    And your tax theory! I get it, tax the rich, right? Do you realize why this country has jumped leaps and bounds and come so far in such a short time? It is called incentive...rewards. Why the fuck should I work my ass off and get an education to benifit any whiner? Fuck that. I give my time and donate to charities and put it where my mouth is opposed to whining how the government should take care of the poor. And I find it comical as well as the majority of our poor is overweight. You want to see poor? Go to Egypt in Cairo, go to Africa, go to Mexico before you ever rip on how "America deserves this and that." And I've been to these places pal.

  • At 2:18 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    Well well, finally some verbosity. And a fine mouth on her too.

    Point one: What do we deserve?

    Well normally, Staci, I am all in favor of slapping people as well that ride on the comment. BUT, in this particular case, I was specifically addressing that we deserve to pay more for gas because we waste it like no other country in the world.

    Which brings me to point two: Irresponsibility.

    I guess I only know a few dozen Europeans, but I think thats a fair size. Honestly, I have no idea what you wrote as you basically wrote exactly what I was saying. YES, I am fully aware of what they pay for gas. YES, I am fully aware that the vast majority of their cars are smaller than ours. So with that, that was somewhat of my point. Did you actually read what I wrote, or just the first few lines?

    We are irresponsible because we actively ignore any comments on how we waste gas in this country by (a) driving everywhere (b) having generally shitty public transportation (c) driving huge boat-like cars that get 13mpg. Which, as compared to most of the rest of the world, is wasteful.

    The deserving is that perhaps we will finally have to wake up and smell the petroleum. Perhaps paying 3, 4, 5$ a gallon will incentivize our fine citizens to drive cars that are efficient.

    Point 3, tax theory:

    Actually, I do think that if everyone drove smaller cars then our gas prices would be able to drop slightly.

    In fact, I wrote this in my comment regarding the bizarre supply/demand concept. In the case of a finite market (such as oil), the supply doesn't come from how quickly you can make the widget, but rather how much of the widget actually exists. By wasting it, we are only causing the supply to diminish at a rate that can not be replenished therefore increasing the cost. I'm not suggesting this is the ONLY problem affecting gas prices, but are you going to sit there and tell me its not one of them?

    All the same, this will not help the government one bit, namely due to the fact that more efficient cars cause the government to lose petrol tax money. I wrote (and subsequently had it published) a paper on this theory and would be happy to share it with you, should you desire.

    Ironically, it was written to a New Zealand audience and was specifically arguing against socialism (in this sense) in comparison to capitalism.

    And I think you should read a bit more if you think I'm not in favor of capitalism. I have argued tooth and nail in support of capitalism, namely because like you, I support progress and don't feel socialism provides it. least not quickly enough.

    Also, I have lived amongst many foreign nations, the poorest ones I can think of being Fiji and Mexico. So if you want to rant about the atrocities of poverty, go right ahead, but I doubt I'll disagree with you.

    I hope you are smarter than your comment on the poor being overweight. Perhaps you should read some 8th grade theories on that first. Otherwise, I'd be happy to debate/explain it.

    PS: Congrats on having been to Africa. It's on my list.

  • At 3:13 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    PS: Isn't Cairo actually IN Egypt? Not the other way around.

    I don't have a geography degree, but just wanted to point it out.

  • At 11:56 AM, Blogger Mooneyguy said…

    It's hard to believe that oil company profits could be so good with two oil men in the White House, eh?

  • At 3:46 PM, Blogger Kevin said…

    I'm a tad disappointed that Staci didn't have more to say.

  • At 1:58 PM, Blogger Staci said…

    It is a KNOWN fact about our poor being overweight, and very well documented. There is excellent reasoning from a French doctor named Montignac (sp?).

    Excuse me for missing dash after Egypt. I have been elsewhere in Egypt--in Sharm to be exact. Those pesky double dashes don't autocorrect as they do MS Word. But for you snarkiness, I'll put them in place. Since we are going to get nitty, tho is "though".

    And again, driving smaller cars will NOT reduce fuel prices as Europe is proof of that. And comparing a widget to a consumable natural substance? Yeah, sure, I'm the one that has an 8th grade education. I'll be sure to let my company know the next time we sit down and do analysis on futures in oil. A successful widget company gets traded as a 'stock'. The rest you will have to learn taking finance courses.

    Sorry for your disappointment, but I only came here at Nick's urging.

  • At 2:14 PM, Blogger Staci said…

    BTW Kevin, if you google obesity and poverty, you'll find many links validating the link.

  • At 2:56 PM, Blogger Kevin said…


    Thanks for writing back.

    Thus far, I have actually found your comments on this blog to be the most enjoyable and educational. Namely because it seems that your writing style is very articulate and that your thoughts seem to be more focused on arguing rather than name-calling. But I digress...

    Sorry to get nit-picky with you -- I was just giving you a hard time. In defense of you back-nit-picking however, 'tho' is actually as correct as 'though'. It is generally referred to as the informal usage of 'though'.

    Anyways -- I will write more later, but what I had been suggesting in the stock/commodity argument is that unlike a company that produces a product, you can not view oil as the same thing.

    With a company, a product is created, and you see a demand increase (hopefully) across the world, albeit slowly. Once this demand exists somewhere else, you begin producing more of the product and meet the demand.

    Oil is not the same thing and hence is not regarded as a 'stock' but as a 'commodity'. It's limited. The amount of oil consumed in the states directly affects the oil prices in Europe and the rest of the world, and visa-versa.

    Thus far, Europeans have typically driven smaller cars and thus required less oil production whilst Americans have continued to drive larger and less efficient vehicles. Our 'wasting' of the resource has therefore helped to inflate the cost of petrol around the world. Granted, the UK consuming petrol does the same thing, but clearly they are (and have been) more responsible about it and I therefore believe that OUR lack of responsibility hurts the entire world's gas prices the most. Hence, I find it unfair to the rest of the world.


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